>> HELLO, EVERYONE.

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HERE'S WHAT'S COMING UP.

A BLOODY DAY IN GAZA AS THE ISRAELI CABINET DELAYS A VOTE ON THE CEASE-FIRE AGREEMENT OUTGOING U. S. SECRETARY OF STATE ANTONY BLINKEN TALKS THROUGH THE POST-CONFLICT PHASE OF THE DEAL AND ABOUT GIVING UKRAINE THE STRONGEST HAND TO PLAY AS THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TAKES OVER.

> >> AND, WE HEAR FROM VETERAN MEDIATOR ON THE CALCULUS OF NEGOTIATING WITH HAMAS.

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IN NEW YORK SITTING IN FOR CHRISTIANE AMANPOUR.

IN GAZA, A CEASE-FIRE THAT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING IS NOT HERE YET.

77 PALESTINIANS WERE KILLED IN INTENSE BOMBARDMENT SINCE THE DEAL ANNOUNCED .

THAT IS ACCORDING TO GAZA'S CIVIL DEFENSE.

IN THE MEANTIME, THE GOVERNMENT DELAYED A COVENANT VOTE ON THE AGREEMENT BLAMING HAMAS FOR MAKING PARTS OF THE DEAL.

FAR RIGHT FINANCE MINISTER THREATENS TO QUIT OVER THE TERMS OF THE NEXT PHASE OF THE AGREEMENT, A MOVE THAT COULD COLLAPSE THE NETANYAHU GOVERNMENT.

THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION FULLY EXPECTS THE HOSTAGE DEAL TO IMPLEMENT SUNDAY.

HAMAS SAYS THAT IT IS COMMITTED TO THE TRUTHS.

AMIDST ALL OF THE MANEUVERING, ISRAELI HOSTAGE FAMILIES DESPERATELY AWAIT THE RETURN OF THEIR LOVED ONES.

THIS AGREEMENT CLOSELY RESEMBLING ONE PROPOSED BY PRESIDENT BIDEN IN MAY MARCHED MARKS A LAST-MINUTE ACHIEVEMENT FOR THE OUTGOING ADMINISTRATION HELPED BY THE INCOMING TRUMP TEAM .

LAST NIGHT, PRESIDENT BIDEN BID FAREWELL IN FINAL SPEECH TO THE NATION FOR THE WORLD , IT HAS BEEN A BUMPY RIDE.

THERE IS INTENSE CRITICISM OF HIS ADMINISTRATION'S HANDLING OF THE WAR.

ANTONY BLINKEN WAS HECKLED IN VALEDICTORY REMARKS AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT JUST AS THE CEASE-FIRE DEAL WAS BEING REACHED.

SET DOWN IN WASHINGTON TO DISCUSS ALL OF THIS WITH THE OUTGOING SECRETARY OF STATE.

HERE IS MORE OF THEIR CONVERSATION.

>> THEIR EXTREMISTS AND EVEN THE U. S. HAS SANCTIONED IN THE PAST.

THEY WANT SETTLEMENTS AND THEY SAY THEY WANT TO STAY IN GAZA.

THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY ARE CREATING IN GAZA POINTS TO A PERMANENT STAY THERE IN SOME PARTS.

ARE YOU SURE?

ARE THEY SURE THAT ISRAEL WILL PULL OUT OR WILL IT STAY FOR, I DON'T KNOW, MONTHS OR YEARS AFTERWARDS?

>> FIRST, IT IS OUR POLICY AND HAS BEEN OUR POLICY, INCLUDING PRINCIPLES ARE LAID OUT MONTHS AGO WITH THE CONFLICT IN TOKYO THAT THERE CAN'T BE A PERMANENT OCCUPATION OF GAZA AND THAT ISRAEL HAS TO PULL OUT AND THAT THE TERRITORY OF GAZA SHOULDN'T BE CHANGED .

OBVIOUSLY, CAN'T BE RUN BY HAMAS .

THE CEASE-FIRE DEAL ITSELF REQUIRES THE ISRAELI FORCES TO PULL BACK, THEN ASSUMING YOU GET TO A PERMANENT CEASE-FIRE, TO PULL OUT ENTIRELY.

THAT IS WHAT IS CRITICAL ABOUT THIS POST-CONFLICT PLAN.

YOU NEED TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON ITS ARRANGEMENTS, BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT GIVES THEM CONFIDENCE THAT THEY CAN PULL OUT CONFIDENTLY AND NOT HAVE HAMAS GO BACK IN AND HAVE A REPEAT OF THE LAST DECADE.

>> I WAS ACTUALLY QUITE STUNNED THAT I SAW PRESIDENT-ELECT TRUMP RETWEET A POSITION BY FORMER U. S. OFFICIAL , AS YOU KNOW VERY WELL, HE BASICALLY CALLED BENJAMIN NETANYAHU A MEAN, RUDE S OB AND ALLUDED TO THE FACT THAT IT'S HIM RUNNING THE SHOW AND NOT USG.

USG IS THE BIGGEST BACKER OF ISRAEL AND HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO CHANGE THE DYNAMIC IN ANY APPRECIABLE FORM .

WHAT DID YOU THINK OF PRESIDENT TRUMP?

WOULD YOU THINK IT'S A MESSAGE THAT HE PLANS TO BE HARDER?

ALSO, DO YOU THINK THE TAIL HAS OFTEN BEEN WAGGING THE DOG?

NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT RESPECTING INTERNATIONAL LAW, HUMANITARIAN AID AND ALL THE REST OF IT, YOUR CLIENTS HAVE IGNORED YOU BY AND LARGE.

I'M WONDERING WHEN YOU THINK IT'S TIME TO RE-ASK THE QUESTION THAT FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP DATED DURING PARTICULARLY THE NEGOTIATIONS.

WHO HAS THE SUPERPOWER HERE?

>> FIRST, I FOCUS LESS ON PERSONALITIES AND MORE ON POLICY.

WHAT ARE THEY ACTUALLY DOING?

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO THE INDIVIDUAL IS, BUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

WHAT HAS BEEN MISUNDERSTOOD AROUND THE WORLD IS ASCRIBING TO ONE INDIVIDUAL OR MAYBE A SMALL GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS.

THE POLICIES THAT ISRAEL IS PURSUING , MANY PEOPLE DON'T LIKE.

THIS IS A REFLECTION OF 70, 80 OR 90% OF ISRAELIS FOLLOWING THE TRAUMA OF OCTOBER 7th.

ASCRIBING THIS TO ANYONE IS MISTAKEN.

IT LEADS YOU TO DRAWING THE WRONG CONCLUSIONS.

THIS IS WHERE THE COUNTRY IS AND THE POLITIES POLICIES THAT THE COST COUNTRIES PURSUING.

EVEN PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE THE PRIME MINISTER .

THAT'S ONE THING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND.

YOU HAVE A TRAUMATIZED SOCIETY EVEN AS YOU HAVE A TRAUMATIZING PALESTINIAN SOCIETY .

IN GAZA CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE OF HAMAS'S INITIATION .

>> I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU THE GENOCIDE QUESTION, BECAUSE I HEARD YOU ANSWER IT AND YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT ISRAEL IS DOING, HELLO THE SCHOLAR ON GENOCIDE TOLD ME THAT HE BELIEVES AFTER A YEAR OF STUDYING THIS THAT IT FITS HIS DESCRIPTION.

WHAT I WILL ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR OFFICIALS HERE IN THIS STATE DEPARTMENT, MORE THAN A DOZEN HAVE RESIGNED AND THE ACTUAL AMERICAN LAWS GOVERNING THE USE OF MILITARY AID HAS NOT BEEN FOLLOWED .

FURTHERMORE, I WILL ASK YOU ABOUT THE ISRAELIS THEMSELVES WHO TALK ABOUT WAR CRIMES , FORMER DEFENSE SECRETARY FOR NETANYAHU AND NOT A BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL AND ETHNIC CLEANSING AND WAR CRIMES ARE TAKING PART.

THE TRUTH WARRIORS WHO DISCOVERED WHAT IS REALLY SOLDIERS HAVE BEEN SAYING.

IN THE RECENT PAST --RECENT PRESENT, THEY ARE CONSIDERING CHILDREN WHO COME TO A CERTAIN AREA AS TERRORISTS.

THE BRAVE SOLDIERS FROM BREAKING THE SILENCE AND TAKING CONFESSIONS COMING BACK .

AND, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THEM, SOME OF THEM ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING.

ARE YOU PREPARED WAR CRIMES HAVE BEEN COMMITTED BY ISRAEL?

>> I CAN'T SPEAK TO INDIVIDUAL INSTANCES.

I CAN SAY, OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE CONCERNS.

MORE CONCERNS ABOUT THE WAY ISRAEL HAS CONDUCTED ITSELF AND UNDERSTANDING FIRST OF ALL THAT THIS IS A UNIQUE ENVIRONMENT.

ONE THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN BEFORE.

ONE WHERE YOU HAVE A POPULATION TRAPPED INSIDE OF GAZA AND EVERY SITUATION IN THE WORLD.

PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO GET OUT OF HARMS WAY .

THEY BECOME REFUGEES IN NATIONS COUNTRY AND THAT'S A GOOD THING, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN BEING CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS KIND.

SECOND, UNIQUELY, YOU HAVE AN ENEMY THAT INTENTIONALLY EMBEDS ITSELF WITHIN THE CIVILIAN POPULATION IN AND UNDER APARTMENTS, SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS .

THAT DOES NOT IN ANY WAY RESOLVE THE RESPONSIBLY OR OBLIGATION TO CONDUCT ITSELF.

>> 70,000 CHILDREN PER >> IT MAKES IT MUCH MORE CHALLENGING.

WE LOOK AT THIS VERY CAREFULLY.

ISRAEL LOOKS AT THIS CAREFULLY.

THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF CASES THAT ARE WITHIN THE ISRAELI SYSTEM AS WE SPEAK.

THOSE CASES I BELIEVE AND TRUST WILL MOVE FORWARD TO ASSESS EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE, WHETHER INDIVIDUALS HAVE COMMITTED VIOLATIONS OF MEDITERRANEAN LAW OR CRIMES, YOU NAME IT.

THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO SEE .

IT COMES THROUGH FLOURISH AND JUST AS WE LOOK INTENSELY.

WE LOOK AT ANY THINGS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.

THE CHALLENGE OF DOING THAT NOT ONLY IN REAL TIME , BUT DOING IT IN THIS UNIQUE ENVIRONMENT ARE REAL AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T DO IT .

WE DO.

IT TAKES TIME TO GET TO THE FACTS.

I DEEPLY VALUE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THIS DEPARTMENT AND OUR SYSTEM WHO HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS AND SPEAK UP AND OUT.

WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED IT ESSENTIAL CHANNEL.

THEY CAN SEND ME A NOTE, MEMO OR DETAILED BRIEF AND I SEE IT.

I READ AND RESPOND TO IT.

I DON'T KNOW, I HAVE A COUPLE DOZEN WHEN IT COMES TO GAZA, AS WELL AS OTHER ISSUES.

THAT IS A CHARGE TO THIS DEPARTMENT.

I WANT PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY FEEL THEY CAN DO THAT.

IT HAS ALSO AFFECTED OUR THINKING, INCLUDING ACTIONS .

>> I WANT TO GO TO UKRAINE , BECAUSE IN THE FIGHT FOR DEMOCRACY AND AS YOU AND PRESIDENT BIDEN HAVE BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT, ESPECIALLY AS YOU WIND DOWN , THESE ARE THE BIG SUCCESSES OF YOUR ADMINISTRATION AND YOU BROUGHT THIS ALIGNS TOGETHER AND EXPANDED NATURE.

YOU HELPED UKRAINE SURVIVE.

AS YOU KNOW WITHIN THE U. S. ENVIRONMENT, PEOPLE , SOME EXPERTS BELIEVE THAT YOU DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH OR GIVE THEM ENOUGH WEAPONS.

IT'S JUST ENOUGH TO SURVIVE OR NOT ENOUGH TO WIN OR EVEN ENOUGH TO TO BRING PRUDENT HEAVILY TO THE TABLE SERIOUSLY.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THAT, BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE JUST WRITTEN WITH SECRETARY DEFENSE AUSTIN.

YOU HAVE LISTED YOUR ACHIEVEMENTS, THEN SAID THAT THIS IS LEVERAGE THAT WE CAN PASS ON TO DONALD TRUMP AND HIS ADMINISTRATION.

IF HE DOESN'T USE IT AND IF HE JUST SURRENDERS, THAT WILL BE CATASTROPHIC FOR EVERYONE.

DO YOU THINK THAT LEVERAGE WILL BE USED BY THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION?

>> I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION, BUT I DO KNOW THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP OFTEN SAYS THAT HE WANTS AND GETS GOOD DEALS.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TRIED TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT UKRAINE HAS, BUT ALSO THE UNITED STATES HAS THE STRONGEST POSSIBLE HAND TO PLAY IF HE COMES TO TRYING TO GET THE RESOLUTION OR CEASE- FIRE.

THAT DEPENDS ON TWO THINGS.

THAT IS WHAT UKRAINIANS WANT TO DO AND DEPENDS ON WHETHER PUTIN WILL ENGAGE IN THAT PROCESS.

WE WILL SEE.

THE JURY IS OUT ON THAT.

REMEMBER WHERE WE STARTED.

PUTIN SOUGHT TO ERASE UKRAINE FROM THE MAP TO ELIMINATE UKRAINE AS AN INDEPENDENT COUNTRY.

THIS IS AN IMPERIAL PROJECT.

THAT HAS FAILED.

IT HAS FAILED, BECAUSE PEOPLE, BUT ALSO FAILED BECAUSE WE RALLIED AND KEPT TOGETHER .

THE COALITION MORE THAN 50 COUNTRIES IN UKRAINE'S DEFENSE AT EVERY STEP ALONG THE WAY , WE HAVE BEEN DETERMINED TO MAKE SURE THAT UKRAINE HAD WHAT IT NEEDED TO DEFEND ITSELF AS THE NATURE OF THE BATTLEFIELD CHANGED AND WE CHANGED, TOO IN TERMS OF WHAT WE ARE PROVIDING.

EVERY STEP ALONG THE WAY, YOU NO LONGER HAVE TO DETERMINE ABOUT THE GIVEN WEAPON SYSTEM.

THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE PREPARED TO DO.

COULD THEY USE IT EFFECTIVELY?

DO THEY HAVE THE TRAINING?

CAN THEY MAINTAIN IT?

THE FACT IS THAT UKRAINE IS STANDING AND THAT IS NOT AT ALL WHAT IT WAS EXPECTED.

IT HAS AN INCREDIBLY BRIGHT FUTURE AS A COUNTRY STANDING INDEPENDENTLY AND INCREASINGLY INTEGRATED WITH YOUR COMMUNITY THAT CAN FEND FOR ITSELF MILITARILY, ECONOMICALLY, DEMOCRATICALLY.

THAT IS THE ULTIMATE REBUKE.

>> YOU KNOW THAT PUTIN HAS NO INTEREST OR EXPRESSED INTEREST IN ANYTHING THEN TOTAL SURRENDER AND TO COMPLETELY OBLITERATE UKRAINE AS AN INDEPENDENT SOVEREIGN NATION?

WHAT WOULD THE EFFECT OF THAT BE --WE KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO UKRAINE, BUT EUROPE AND AMERICAN LEADERSHIP.

>> TWO THINGS ARE IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND.

IF THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME KIND OF CEASE-FIRE, IT'S ESSENTIAL THAT HAVING EMBEDDED WITHIN IT , SOME KIND OF DETERRENT TO MAKE SURE THAT RUSSIA DOES NOT ATTACK AGAIN, BECAUSE WE KNOW IT IN PUTIN'S MIND.

IF THERE IS A CEASE-FIRE, HE WILL TRY TO USE THE TIME TO REST, REFIT AND RE-ATTACK.

THERE HAS TO BE A DETERRENT IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING THAT, BUT THAT WILL BE CRITICAL.

MORE BROADLY, YOU GET WHAT IT HAS BEEN ABOUT.

IT IS ABOUT UKRAINE AND SOMETHING MORE BROAD.

IT IS ABOUT THE FACT THAT RUSSIA COMMITTED AN AGGRESSION AGAINST THE VERY PRINCIPLES THAT ARE AT THE HEART OF THE INTERNATIONAL SYSTEM AND NECESSARY TO TRY TO KEEP PEACE AND PRESERVE DEBILITY AND PREVENT WAR.

YOU CAN JUST VIOLATE ANOTHER COUNTRY'S BORDERS BY FORCE.

HE CAN'T GO IN AND TRY TO TAKE OVER ANOTHER COUNTRY AND RUN ITS FUTURE.

WE KNOW THAT HAD WE NOT STOOD UP TO THOSE PRINCIPLES HAD PRUDENT BEEN ABLE TO VIOLATE UNITY, THEN THE MESSAGE THAT WOULD HAVE SENT TO WOULD-BE AGGRESSORS WELL BEYOND EUROPE AND ALL OVER THE WORLD WOULD HAVE BEEN CRYSTAL CLEAR.

ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL MOMENTS WAS EARLY ON WHEN THE THEN JAPANESE PRIME MINISTER STOOD UP AND PUT JAPAN STRONGLY IN UKRAINE.

WHAT IS HAPPENING IN UKRAINE COULD BE HAPPENING IN EAST ASIA TOMORROW.

THAT IS WHY THIS IS BIGGER THAN UKRAINE AND ESSENTIAL THAT WE CONTINUE TO NOT ONLY DEFEND UKRAINE, BUT THOSE PRINCIPLES.

>> DO YOU THINK IN THE FULL LICENSE ADMINISTRATION AFTER ALL THAT YOU HAVE DONE, THAT YOU WISH YOU WOULD HAVE DONE MORE, FOR INSTANCE, THE FOREIGN RUSSIAN MINISTER SAID TO ME IN THE INVASION THAT ALL PUTIN UNDERSTANDS IS STRENGTH.

THE FORMER FRENCH PRESIDENT TOLD ME THAT THE WEST IS AFRAID OF WAR AND PUTIN IS NOT AFRAID.

THAT IS WHAT GIVES HIM HIS ADVANTAGE.

WE KNOW THAT THE U. S. GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN INTIMIDATING BY THE NUCLEAR RATTLING.

DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT HE WOULD HAVE FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH THAT AND SHOULD YOU HAVE CALLED HIS BLUFF AS A MASSIVE U. S. AND NATO FORCE?

>> I WILL TAKE OBJECTION TO ONE PART OF YOUR QUESTION WITH THE NOTION THAT WE HAVE BEEN INTIMIDATED.

LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO NOT ONLY OURSELVES , BUT DOZENS OF OTHER COUNTRIES THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT TOGETHER AND KEPT TOGETHER IN TERMS OF WHAT WE PROVIDED UKRAINE.

UKRAINIANS HAVE BEEN WILLING TO CARRY THIS FIGHT.

IT IS HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN MILITARY SUPPORT AND MORE , AS WELL IN TERMS OF HUMANITARIAN ECONOMIC ASSISTANCE.

THE LOSSES THAT RUSSIA SUFFERED ON THE BATTLEFIELD IN A MEAT GRINDER OF PUTIN'S MAKING BY SOME ESTIMATES, SEVEN --700 AGENT THAT IS BEYOND WHAT ANYONE COULD CONCEIVE OF.

CERTAINLY, UKRAINIANS WITH OUR SUPPORT HAVE MORE THAN TAKEN THE FIGHT TO RUSSIA.

PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS A RESPONSIBILITY THAT NONE OF US ULTIMATELY HAVE.

IT REALLY DOES STOP AND THAT IS TO MAKE SURE ON ONE HAND THAT WE PROVIDE ALL SUPPORT THAT WE CAN FOR UKRAINE, SO IT CAN EFFECTIVELY DEFEND ITSELF.

ALSO, AVOID GETTING INTO DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE NUCLEAR POWER.

HE HAS MANAGED TO DO BOTH WELL.

WE ALSO HAVE A NATO ALLIANCE THAT IS STRONGER, BIGGER AND BETTER RESOURCED THAN EVER.

THAT IS THE BEST DETERRENT TO MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS NOT FURTHER AGGRESSION.

HE DOES NOT WANT TO TAKE ON NATO AND WE HAVE SEEN THAT TIME ON TIME AGAIN.

>> HAVE EXPRESSED DOUBTS ABOUT SUPPORTING UKRAINE AND HAVE ACTUALLY PREVENTED GOING THERE IN A TIMELY MANNER AND WHO HAVE EXPRESSED DOUBTS ABOUT ALLIANCES CERTAINLY THE FIRST TRUMP TERM WAS NOT ONE OF THE FIRST ALLIANCES THAT YOURS HAS DONE , DO YOU THINK THEY WILL MAINTAIN THIS ALLIANCE THAT YOU REBUILT OR DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO --I KNOW YOU CAN'T LOOK INTO THE FUTURE, BUT WHAT IS YOUR WORRY?

>> OF COURSE, MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE WILL BE A MOVE AWAY FROM WHAT I THINK IS A SINGLE ACHIEVEMENT OF THE ADMINISTRATION , WHICH HAS BEEN TO RE-ENERGIZE, RE-ENGAGE , REJUVENATE AND REIMAGINE OUR ALLIANCES PARTNERSHIPS.

FUNDAMENTALLY, WE BELIEVE THAT WE ARE STRONGER, MORE EFFECTIVE AND MOST AMERICANS DON'T WANT TO SEE AMERICA DO IT ALONE.

THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE BETTER OFF WHEN WE CAN DO THINGS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OTHER COUNTRIES, WHICH HAS BEEN A HALLMARK OF THIS ADMINISTRATION.

THE FACT THAT WE DID THAT IS WHAT ENABLED US TO BRING COUNTRIES TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE PICKING UP THE BURDEN AND NOT JUST THE U. S. THE FACT THAT WE DID THAT MADE THAT INVESTMENT AS PARTNERS.

THAT IS WHY WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FOCUS EVERYONE IN A SIMILAR WAY ON THE CHALLENGES POSED BY CHINA, SO THAT WE ARE ALL TAKING ON CHALLENGES TOGETHER COLLECTIVELY AND THE WEIGHT OF THAT IS MUCH GREATER THAN IF WE WERE DOING IT ALONE.

THEY COULD MOVE AWAY FROM FROM THAT.

I HAVE HAD GOOD CONVERSATIONS WITH SENATOR RUBIO AND SOON-TO- BE SECRETARY RUBIO.

HE IS SOMEONE WHO IS STEEPED IN THESE ISSUES WITH LONGTIME SERVICE ON SINOPHARM RELATIONSHIP COMMITTEE AND HE KNOWS THE ISSUES WELL.

HE IS THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THEM.

I BELIEVE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR HIM.

I DON'T WANT TO HIM WITH PRAISE, BUT HE IS SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS THE IMPERATIVE OF AMERICAN ENGAGEMENT AND LEADERSHIP.

>> WHAT WOULD BE THE CONSEQUENCE IF RESIDENT TRUMP PULLED A PUTIN AND ANNEXED GREENLAND OR INVADED CANADA OR MEXICO OR WHATEVER?

>> THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

OF COURSE, NOT A GOOD IDEA TO BEGIN WITH, BUT NOT MUCH SPENDING TIME TALKING ABOUT IT, BECAUSE IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

WE HAVE A STRONG RELATIONSHIP WITH DENMARK, WHICH IS AFTER ALL, THE NATO ALLY.

I HAVE BEEN TO GREENLAND AND MYSELF AND WE HAVE A MILITARY BASE THERE THAT IS CRITICAL.

WE HAVE IMPORTANT ECONOMIC RELATIONSHIPS AND THOSE CAN GROW DEEPER AND STRONGER.

THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING.

NOT BY TAKING THE ROUTE THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED.

>> FINALLY, THERE IS SO MUCH TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU WHETHER THE DEMONSTRATION IN FULL LIGHT AND DAY OF AROUND TRYING TO ATTACK ISRAEL AND IT FAILING COMPLETELY , DO YOU THINK THAT WILL ACCELERATE IRAN'S AS YET, THEY DON'T HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON OR NOT BUILDING A NUCLEAR WEAPON.

DO YOU THINK IT'S A WAY FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS THAT THEY CONCLUDE THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE THAT?

>> WE HAVE SEEN TWO THINGS.

ONE IS THE NUCLEAR QUESTION AND WE HAD IRAN'S NUCLEAR QUESTION IN A BOX WITH THE DEAL.

I THINK THAT WAS A BIG MISTAKE, ESPECIALLY PULLING OUT AND NOT THEN MOVING IN WITH SOMETHING ELSE.

SINCE THEN, RON WAS AT A POINT WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TAKEN MORE THAN A YEAR TO PRODUCE MATERIAL FOR A NUCLEAR WEAPON, WHICH IS WHAT THE DEAL DID.

NOW THE SO-CALLED BREAKOUT TIME IS DOWN TO A WEEK OR TWO.

THEY DON'T HAVE A WEAPON ITSELF, BUT THE MATERIAL WILL BE DONE QUICKLY.

RON WILL HAVE TO CALCULATE WHETHER BECAUSE IT'S LOST ALL OF ITS PROXIES, HAMAS, HEZBOLLAH, THE SYRIA CONNECTION , IT MAY CONCLUDE THAT IN ORDER TO DEFEND ITSELF THEY HAVE TO MOVE INTO THAT DIRECTION AND BETTER STRIKE A DEAL.

IF TRUMP IS SERIOUS ABOUT WHAT HE SAID BACK THEN , WHICH IS THAT HE WANTED A BETTER OR STRONGER DEAL, THEN THAT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET ONE.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THE RON ALSO DEMONSTRATES WHERE THE REGION CAN GO WHERE ISRAEL CAN GO AND WHERE THE PALESTINIANS CAN GO IF THEY MOVED DOWN THE TRACK WE ESTABLISHED FOR GREATER INTEGRATION.

ISRAEL'S PROFOUND HOPE FROM THE BEGINNING OF ITS EXISTENCE WAS TO BE TREATED LIKE ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE REGION TO HAVE NORMAL RELATIONS WITH ITS NEIGHBORS.

WE NOW HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AND THEY NOW HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

BEFORE OCTOBER 7th, WE WERE WORKING ON NORMALIZING HIS REACH RELATIONS AND BUILDING ON THE ABRAHAM AND I WAS SCHEDULED TO GO TO SAUDI ARABIA AND ISRAEL TO TRY TO RESOLVE SOME OF THE OUTSTANDING ISSUES , INCLUDING AND IN PARTICULAR IN THAT MOMENT, DEALING WITH A PATHWAY TO A PALESTINIAN STATE FOR THE SAUDI'S, IT IS CRITICAL AND FOR US, AS WELL.

IT'S CRITICAL TO HAVE THAT PATHWAY TO MOVE WITH NORMAL.

WE HAVE SEEN THE BENEFITS WHEN ISRAEL WAS ATTACKED AND AN UNPRECEDENTED WAY BY IRAN NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE.

WE WERE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER COUNTRIES, INCLUDING COUNTRIES IN THE REGION TO DEFEND ISRAEL.

ISRAEL CAN SEE THAT BEING PART OF A REGIONAL SECURITY ARCHITECTURE, WHICH IS WHAT COMES WITH INTEGRATION COMES WITH NORMALIZED RELATIONS AND IT'S GOOD FOR ITS SECURITY.

TWO THINGS ARE REQUIRED TO GET THERE.

ONE , ENDING THE WAR IN GAZA.

TWO, A GRIEVING AGREEING TO A INCREDIBLE PATHWAY.

WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON ALL OF THAT.

THEY ARE READY TO GO.

IDEAS FOR HOW YOU WOULD HAVE AN INCREDIBLE PATHWAY TO A STATE, THEY ARE ALSO THERE READY TO GO AND I TALKED ABOUT SOME JUST THIS WEEK.

I THINK WE ARE HANDING OFF TO THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION, THE POSSIBILITY OF ACTUALLY MOVING THROUGH THIS PATH AND MOVING DOWN.

THEY WOULD REALLY MOVE FORWARD.

HAVING THIS INTEGRATION AND HAVING A REGION THAT IS FOCUSED ON WORKING TOGETHER, CREATING OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE OUT OF EVERY COUNTRY, DEALING WITH TERRORISM AND THREATS FOR COUNTRIES LIKE IRAN THAT WANT TO UNDERMINE THE ORDER, BUT GAZA AND PATHWAY FOR PALESTINIANS.

THOSE OF THE TWO CRITICAL THINGS.

MY STRONGEST DESIRE IS THAT THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ALL OF THOSE PLANS AND PROJECTS .

THAT CAN RADICALLY CHANGE THE FUTURE OF THE REGION.

>> SECRETARY ANTONY BLINKEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.

>> FASCINATING INTERVIEW THERE AND WE WANT MORE ON THAT CEASE- FIRE DEAL AND WHY IT HAS TAKEN SO LONG WHEN WE DO TURN TO INSTRUMENTAL, OF COURSE IN HELPING NEGOTIATE THE ISRAELI SOLDIER FROM HAMAS CAPTIVITY IN 2011 .

WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

ESPECIALLY AS WE DEAL WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE LAST FEW HOURS, IT SEEMS THAT THERE WILL BE A CABINET VOTE ON FRIDAY.

IN YOUR OPINION, WHERE DOES THIS STAND , ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT U. S. OFFICIALS REMAIN CONFIDENT?

>> I THINK THE DEAL WILL GO THROUGH.

THE CABINET WILL APPROVE AND NETANYAHU WILL HAVE HIS MAJORITY.

HE HAS HIS OPPOSITION WITHIN THE GOVERNMENT AND HIS OWN PARTY, BUT HE HAS THE MAJORITY IN THE GOVERNMENT .

ON SUNDAY MORNING, WE SHOULD SEE THE BEGINNING OF THE CEASE-FIRE .

BY SUNDAY EVENING, THE RELEASE OF THE FIRST THREE WOMEN HOSTAGES .

THIS IS BEING DONE, BECAUSE THE NEW INCOMING ADMINISTRATION WAS MUCH MORE FORCEFUL WITH NETANYAHU THAN THE OUTGOING ADMINISTRATION.

NETANYAHU KNOWS THAT HE HAS TO LISTEN TO TRUMP, BUT PARTICULARLY ON HIS FIRST DAYS IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

>> I DO WANT TO PICK UP ON WHAT IS AN ENDURING OPINION OUT THERE AND THAT ALTHOUGH THIS WAS DONE IN MAY, THE INCOMING TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS REALLY THE ONE THAT GOT OVER THE LINE.

WE ARE SEEING THIS HOUR THAT IF YOU MEMBERS OF THE COALITION ARE THREATENING TO QUIT.

IF THEY DON'T RETURN TO THIS WAR IN GAZA AFTER THE FIRST PHASE .

I ASK YOU, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR PHASE TWO OF THE DEAL, ESPECIALLY WHERE IT COMES INTO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND HOW IT HANDLES HIS COALITION.

>> MY ASSESSMENT IS THAT WE HAVE THE DEAL PRIMARILY BECAUSE THE INCOMING PRESIDENT TRUMP PROVIDED GUARANTEES TO EACH TO TELL HAMAS THAT THE WAR IN FACT WOULD COME TO AN END IN PHASE TWO.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HAMAS WOULD HAVE ENTERED INTO THE AGREEMENT IN PHASE ONE IF THEY THOUGHT THE WAR WAS GOING TO PICK UP AND CONTINUE IN PHASE TWO.

IT HAS TO BE SAID THAT FROM THE ENTIRE DEAL IS A BAD DEAL AND I HAVE WRITTEN THAT.

A BAD DEAL IS BETTER THAN NO DEAL, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAVING HUMAN LIVES.

NONETHELESS, THIS DEAL DESIGNED BY PRESIDENT BIDEN IS A THREE MONTH DEAL BEFORE IT IS COMPLETED AND BEFORE THE WAR IS OVER AND BEFORE ALL OF THE HOSTAGES ARE HOME.

WHEN WE KNOW THAT IN SEPTEMBER, WE KNOW THAT HAMAS WAS WILLING TO END THE DEAL IN THREE WEEKS TO END THE WAR AND DRAW ALL HOSTAGES.

THIS IS NOT A GOOD SITUATION.

THERE ARE MANY OPPORTUNITIES DURING THE NEXT MONTHS.

IT IS A DANGEROUS SITUATION, BUT WE DO HAVE APPARENTLY PRESIDENT TRUMP WHO HAS SAID TO NETANYAHU AND EGYPTIANS THAT HE WANTS THIS DONE AND HE DOESN'T WANT IT ON HIS DESK.

WE KNOW THAT TRUMP IS UNPREDICTABLE AND WE KNOW HE IS TRANSACTIONAL.

WE KNOW THAT HE HAS NO OPTION , BUT TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH TRUMP.

WITH BIDEN, HE CAN GO AROUND TO THE REPUBLICANS .

NETANYAHU DOESN'T HAVE THAT OPTION ANYMORE.

>> I DO WANT TO DO A DEEP DIVE ON WHY YOU SAY THIS IS A BAD DEAL.

JUST TO REMIND EVERYONE, IT DOES HAVE A FEW PHASES.

THE FIRST ONE IS THAT RELEASE OF ISRAELI HOSTAGES AND IN EXCHANGE FOR THE PALESTINIAN PRISONERS.

IT WILL BE 42 DAYS.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE SECOND AND THIRD PHASES , WHERE ARE THE WEAK POINTS?

DESCRIBE TO US WHY YOU BELIEVE THIS IS A BAD DEAL.

>> FIRST OF ALL, IN THE FIRST 42 DAYS, ONLY 33 OF THE 98 HOSTAGES ARE BEING RELEASED AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM ARE ALIVE .

AFTER A WEEK, HAMAS WILL RELEASE AN ADDITIONAL FOUR, THEN ONCE A WEEK UNTIL THE END OF THE SIX WEEK PERIOD, 33 HOSTAGES.

ABOUT THE REMAINING 65 HOSTAGES EMMA WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THEM AND WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHETHER THEY ARE ALIVE OR DEAD.

THIS IS A LONG PERIOD TO WAIT FOR THEM .

IT IS A DANGER TO THEIR LIVES AND THEY ARE NOT BEING TREATED WELL.

THOSE FOR UNDERGROUND IN TUNNELS AND WILL PROBABLY REMAIN THERE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.

ADDITIONALLY, EVEN WHEN THE CEASE-FIRE WAS DECLARED LAST NIGHT, ISRAEL ATTACKED GAZA AND 77 PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN GAZA OVERNIGHT.

THERE ARE MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOLDIERS TO ENCOUNTER HAMAS COMBATANTS AND FOR FIREFIGHTERS TO BREAK OUT OF THE WHOLE DEAL TO BREAK DOWN.

THE LAST THING THAT IS IMPORTANT AND BAD ABOUT THIS DEAL IS THAT THERE IS NO TOMORROW PLANT.

WHO WILL GOVERN GAZA WHEN THIS IS ALL OVER?

HAMAS KNOWS VERY WELL THAT THEY CANNOT CONTINUE TO GOVERN GAZA THERE WON'T BE A SINGLE PENNY OF MONEY FOR RECONSTRUCTION IF HAMAS IS IN CHARGE OF GAZA FROM THE SOUTHEAST, OR ANYONE.

NO ONE WILL CONTRIBUTE MONEY IF HAMAS IS IN CHARGE.

PRIME MINISTER REFUSES TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE ONLY WAY TO MOVE FORWARD IS TO DEAL WITH A POLITICAL SOLUTION FOR THESE PALESTINIAN CONFLICTS.

THERE MUST BE MORE THAN WHAT SECRETARY BLAKE AND SET UP A TAC FOR A VIABLE SOLUTION.

THERE MUST BE A DIRECT NEGOTIATING DEAL THAT PUTS FROM THE OUTSET THE TWO SOLUTIONS ON THE TABLE.

NETANYAHU HAS WORKED IS ALL WHOLE POLITICAL CAREER.

>> HE HAS WORKED TO PREVENT THAT, BUT I DO COME BACK TO HAMAS.

YOU ARE SAYING THAT THERE IS NO WAY THAT THEY WILL EVEN ALLOW RECONSTRUCTION MONEY IN THERE IF HAMAS IS IN POWER.

WHO ELSE WOULD BE IN POWER?

WE HEARD FROM BLINKEN HIMSELF THAT THEY HAVE RECRUITED AS MANY NEW FIGHTERS TO HAMAS AS THEY HAVE KILLED .

WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT AND WHERE DO YOU SEE THE FUTURE OF GAZA GIVEN HOW THE PALESTINIAN POLITICAL ESTABLISHMENT IS WEAKENED?

>> WELL, HAMAS WILL BE ABLE TO RECRUIT NEW PEOPLE AS LONG AS THE ARMY IS IN GAZA AND SOLDIERS WILL CONTINUE TO DIE EVEN THOUGH HAMAS IS BADLY BROKEN UP.

THEY HAVE NO REAL MILITARY COMMAND OR CONTROL.

THEY HAVE NO REAL DIVISIONS.

THEY HAVE WHO COME UP OUT OF PEERS OUT OF UNDERGROUND OR BUILDINGS , WHICH ARE BOMBED OUT AND CAN SHOOT ISRAELI SOLDIERS AND KILLED THEM.

THE WAY TO PREVENT THAT IS REMOVING THE ARMY FROM THE STRIP.

WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS THAT THE PALESTINIAN LEADERSHIP NEEDS TO APPOINT AN INDEPENDENT PERSON TO HAVE A NEW GOVERNMENT IN GAZA, WHICH IS MADE UP OF GAZANS, CIVILIAN PROFESSIONAL TECH TO GOVERNMENT FOR A PERIOD OF NUMBER OF YEARS AND THERE ARE ONE OR TWO CANDIDATES WHO FEEL THE CRITERIA OF WHAT IS NECESSARY.

THE PROBLEMS IS THAT HAMAS -- PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY PRESIDENT WHO IS 90 YEARS OLD AND IN THE 19th FOR 20th YEAR OR FOUR YEAR TERM THE LEGITIMACY.

TO USE HIS POWER TO APPOINT SOMEONE WHO CAN GOVERN AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE A PRIME MINISTER FOR ALL OF THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY , INCLUDING GAZA, BUT IF THAT DOESN'T HELP AND IT SHOULD AT LEAST BE FOR GAZA AND THAT INDEPENDENT PERSON NEEDS TO CREATE A COUNCIL OF PEOPLE FROM GAZA WHO ARE WILLING AND ABLE TO GOVERN TO CREATE A SECURITY FORCE TO INVITE ARAB STATES TO SEND A FORCE TO HELP STABILIZE THE SITUATION TO CREATE SECURITY ON GROUND, BUT WE NEED A PERSON COMMITTED TO PEACE WITH ISRAEL, BECAUSE THE PALESTINIANS NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THEY NO LONGER HAVE A VIABLE ARMED STRUGGLE AND NEED TO REALIZE THAT THERE IS NO MILITARY SOLUTION TO THIS CONFLICT.

>> IT IS PRECISELY THOSE TWO LAST POINTS THAT YOU ARE ARTICULATING THAT ARE SO SOBERING, BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFICULT TO GET OVER.

THE FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR TOLD MY COLLEAGUE THAT THIS IS A BAD DEAL, IN FACT.

IT WILL STRENGTHEN HAMAS.

I WANT YOU TO LISTEN TO WHAT HE SAID.

TAKE A LISTEN.

>> BY GIVING A SIX WEEK CEASE- FIRE IF IT HAPPENS, YOU ARE GIVING HAMAS THE CHANCE TO GAIN HUNDREDS OF POTENTIAL NEW FIGHTERS FROM THE PALESTINIANS BEING RELEASED.

REMEMBER, THE NOW DECEASED LEADER OF HAMAS IN GAZA WAS A PRISONER RELEASED BY ISRAEL.

>> HE WAS A PRISONER RELEASED BY ISRAEL.

AS YOU KNOW DURING THE NEGOTIATION THAT YOU ARE INVOLVED IN, DO YOU FEAR THAT THIS KIND OF DEAL ACTUALLY EMBOLDENS HAMAS TO THEN KILL AND TAKE MORE HOSTAGES?

I KNOW THAT IS WHAT THE RIGHT WING IN ISRAEL IS ARTICULATING AT THIS HOUR.

>> RIGHT.

I KNOW THAT PEOPLE OF GAZA NO LONGER ONE HAMAS OR HOLDER HAMAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TRAGEDY THAT IS THE FALLEN ON THEM.

THEY DEFINITELY BLAME ISRAEL, BUT HOLD HAMAS RESPONSIBLE AND A MAJORITY OF GAZANS DON'T WANT THEM THERE ANYMORE.

THIS NEEDS TO BE EXPLOITED.

THIS IS A MOMENT OF PLACE IN HISTORY WHERE CHANGE CAN BE MADE IF WE HAD THE REGION ENLISTED TOGETHER WITH ISRAEL IN ORDER TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR NEW PALESTINIAN GOVERNMENT IN GAZA.

IT REALLY HAS TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE THERE ARE 7 MILLION PALESTINIAN ARABS AND 7 MILLION ISRAELI LIVING ON THE SMALL LAND BETWEEN THE RIVER AND MEDITERRANEAN SEA.

THEY ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE AND WE HAVE TO STOP DOING THIS.

WE HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR 100 YEARS.

THIS WAR HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST TRAGEDY THAT HAS BEFALLEN TO THESE PEOPLE IN HISTORY OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL AND TO THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE HAVE TO CHANGE DIRECTIONS.

WE NEED HELP FROM THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY.

PRESIDENT BIDEN AND SECRETARY BLINKEN DIDN'T DO WHAT THEY NEEDED TO.

I COULD HAVE ENDED THIS A LONG TIME AGO AND THEY KEPT FEEDING ISRAEL WITH THE ABILITY TO CARRY ON THE WAR WITHOUT DEMANDING THAT IT STOP AND THEY HAVE NOT FORCED ISRAEL NOR THE ARAB PARTNERS TO PUT FORWARD A VIABLE PLAN FOR CHANGING THE SITUATION AROUND ON THE GROUND.

HAMAS CANNOT STAY THERE.

NEITHER CAN A RADICAL RIGHT WING EXTREMIST GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL , WHICH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENED ON OCTOBER 7th.

>> YOU ARE SPEAKING AS A SEASONED NEGOTIATOR THAT YOU ARE.

AS YOU ARTICULATED, IT MAKES A LOT OF LOGICAL SENSE .

HAMAS STILL REMAINS IN PLACE.

YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT ONE HAMAS HAD TAKEN OVER AND WHEN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION HAD THEM BOTH THERE, THEY WERE SHOCKED THAT THE GAZANS HAD VOTED WITH HAMAS.

HERE WE ARE IN THE BEGINNING OF 2025 WHERE DO YOU SEE AN OPENING GOING FORWARD?

DO YOU BELIEVE THE OPENING WILL BE CREATED BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THAT SEEMS TO BE ENABLING STILL , A RIGHT-WING COALITION IN THE NETANYAHU CABINET.

>> WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TRUMP WILL DO AND HE IS COMPLETELY UNPREDICTABLE, BUT WE KNOW THAT HE IS TRANSACTIONAL.

WE SAW THIS PAST WEEK, THE WORK OF STEPHEN, HIS EMISSARY GOING TO ISRAEL AND GOING AND MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS DONE.

ALTHOUGH HE IS AN AMERICAN JEWISH REAL ESTATE MOGUL , HE IS TRANSACTIONAL AND HAS A LOT OF REFERENCE IN THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES AND I THINK THERE IS A CHANCE THAT THERE WILL BE A DIFFERENT ON THE AMERICAN INTEREST IN THE REGION .

THE BIGGEST AMERICAN INTEREST AS IT IS IN THE WORLD TODAY IS TO SEE THIS COME TO AN END.

HAMAS HAS TO BE DEALT WITH.

HAMAS UNDERSTANDS THEIR OWN SITUATION.

IT IS A CHIEF NEGOTIATOR WHO ISSUED A HORRIBLE STATEMENT AFTER THE SUCCESS OF THE NEGOTIATIONS.

IT WAS SO DESPICABLE AND IT WAS EVEN DIFFICULT TO READ.

IT IS SO UPPERS AND ADDITIVE ON REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT THEY WANT.

THEY DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS WAR ANYMORE.

THEY DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH SUFFERING.

2 MILLION HOMELESS PEOPLE IN GAZA ARE SUFFERING HORRIBLY IN A CATASTROPHE THAT CANNOT CONTINUE.

I THINK IF THERE WAS LEADERSHIP COMING FROM THE U. S. , WE COULD SEE A CHANGE.

JUST YESTERDAY, 90 COUNTRIES GOT TOGETHER FOR THE FOURTH TIME IN THE GLOBAL ALLIANCE FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION STATE SOLUTION THAT WAS INITIATED BY SAUDI ARABIA , EUROPEAN UNION AND NORWAY.

THIS IS REMARKABLE THAT 90 COUNTRIES GOT TOGETHER AND SAID, NO MORE SPEECHES OR DECLARATIONS.

WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THESE COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD ARE GOING TO DO TO SEE THE SOLUTION IMPLEMENTED.

ISRAEL SHOULD EMBRACE THIS.

ISRAEL IS RECOGNIZED AS ONE OF THE TWO STATES.

YOU HAVE MADE GREAT PROGRESS AND UNITED STATES WITH RECOGNIZE THE STATE OF PALESTINE.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT ISRAEL RECOGNIZES THE PALESTINIANS PEOPLES RIGHT TO STATE AND THEY NEED TO RECOGNIZE THE ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO SELF-DETERMINATION.

>> WE DO HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE FOR NOW.

YOU HAVE GIVEN US A LOT TO THINK ABOUT .

AGAIN, MANY PARTIES HERE ARE TRYING TO GET THAT PATH FORWARD TO PEACE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH AGAIN.

APPRECIATE IT.

> >> WE DO TURN TO LOS ANGELES WHERE FIREFIGHTERS ARE SLOWLY GAINING CONTROL OVER THE WILDFIRES RANGING SINCE LAST TUESDAY.

FOR MANY PEOPLE AFFECTED, THEY ARE RETURNING TO THEIR HOMES OR WHATEVER IS LEFT OF THEM AND IT IS LIKELY A WHILE AWAY YET, BECAUSE OF CRITICAL WORK TO REDUCE HAZARDOUS DEBRIS AND ALSO REBUILD INFRASTRUCTURE.

THAT CLEANUP AND REHABILITATION PROCESS COULD TAKE THREE AND SIX MONTHS.

THAT IS ACCORDING TO OFFICIALS.

KEVIN WILLIAMS IS A LONG TIME RESIDENT OF ALTADENA, ONE OF THE HARDEST HIT AREAS FROM THE FIRES.

HE TELLS HIS STORY AND THAT OF THE DIVERSE COMMUNITY .

FEMA KEVIN WILLIAMS, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU ARE A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF ALTADENA .

THAT HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS BECAUSE OF THE FIRES, OF COURSE.

I JUST WANT TO ASK, WHAT DID THE FIRE DO TO YOUR HOUSE AND HOME?

>> THE HOUSE SUSTAINED MINOR DAMAGE.

ALL OF THE OUTBUILDINGS, POOL HOUSE, CARPORT , AS WELL AS THREE FENCES WERE ALL DESTROYED.

MY SON, MYSELF AND NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR SPENT MOST OF THE DAY TRYING TO KEEP THE HOUSE AND SAVE THE HOUSE BY PUTTING UP SPRINKLERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT WAS A HARROWING EXPERIENCE JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE HOME ITSELF PROTECTED.

>> WHEN DID YOU KNOW IT WAS TIME TO GO?

>> I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 5:00 OR 5:30 A. M. .

I SENT MY WIFE AND SON OUT TO THE EVACUATION SHELTER.

THE FIRE WAS NORTH OF THE HOME AND MADE A U-TURN.

I HAD SOME EXPERIENCE WITH LOOKING AT SOME FIRES.

THE FIRE PATTERN CHANGED.

I LIVE DOWN MY STREET AND SAW THIS GLOW IN THE HOUSE ABOUT THREE HOUSES DOWN JUST EXPLODED IN FLAMES WITH 40 FOOT FLAMES.

THE FLAMES WITH BIG WIND GUSTS, WE HAD 60 80-MILE-PER-HOUR WINDS.

THEY KNOCKED THESE CLAIMS OVER TO THE SIDE OF THE STREET.

IS ATTEMPT TO BE BRAVE AND HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE .

I LEFT ONLY TEMPORARILY.

HAD TO TELL MY WIFE LATER THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON AND SHE WASN'T TOO HAPPY , BUT WE DID WHAT WE CAN TO SAVE OUR HOME .

>> IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING , WHAT IN THOSE LAST HOURS WAS MOST IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO GET OUT OF THE HOUSE TO TAKE WITH YOU?

>> THERE WERE MEMENTOS AND A WEDDING ALBUM.

WE TOOK SOME MEMENTOS FROM FAMILIES , RELATIVES AND MY DAD AND MOM HAD PASSED AWAY LAST YEAR AND THERE WERE A FEW THINGS THERE.

JUST SOME MINOR ITEMS IN TERMS OF WEDDING RINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT , WHICH YOU DON'T SLEEP WITH.

WE GOT THOSE OUT , AND OUR CLOTHING, THEN WE LEFT.

>> YOU HAD BEEN THERE FOR HOW LONG?

>> WE HAVE BEEN IN THIS HOUSE SINCE 1993.

>> YOU GREW UP IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD?

>> MY PARENTS BOUGHT A HOME BACK IN 1965 AND WE MOVED FROM LOS ANGELES AND MY DAD SAID THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS STARTING TO CHANGE.

HE SAID, I NEED TO GET MY FAMILY OUT TO A DIFFERENT AREA , SO WE BOUGHT A HOUSE BEING BUILT OUT IN ALTADENA AND THAT HOUSE WAS DESTROYED BY THE FIRE.

IN 1965, WE HAD BEEN IN IT FOR 59 YEARS.

>> I'M LOOKING AT A PICTURE HERE, WHICH IS OF YOUR PARENTS SITTING IN FRONT OF A FIREPLACE.

THAT IS THE ONE I WENT DOWN AND THE CHIMNEY IS SO POIGNANT.

THAT IS THE FIRST NIGHT THAT MY PARENTS WERE IN THE HOME.

WE WERE IN THERE.

THEY TOOK A PICTURE IN FRONT OF THE FIREPLACE AND THAT'S ALL THAT REMAINS NOW.

THAT IS THE TOUGH PART.

MOM AND DAD WERE SO HAPPY TO BUY THAT HOME AND NOW IT'S NO LONGER THERE.

>> THAT'S JUST NOT A LOT OF MEMORIES, BUT AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY THAT HAS BUILT UP.

TAKE US BACK A LITTLE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF ALTADENA AND FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS, WHY WAS THAT SPECIAL?

>> WHEN WE MOVED OUT AT 65, IT WAS FEBRUARY OF 1965.

I MOVED FROM LOS ANGELES TO COME OUT TO ALTADENA .

THERE WERE PEOPLE OF ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF RACIAL GROUPS THERE.

JAPANESE, HISPANICS, STUDENTS WHO I DIDN'T HAVE THAT MUCH EXPOSURE TO IN LOS ANGELES .

IT WAS VERY UNIQUE.

I WASN'T TOO EXCITED, BECAUSE THERE WERE HORSES AND PEOPLE WERE RIDING HORSES IN THE STREETS.

THERE WERE NO SIDEWALKS AND WE TOLD MY DAD AND BROTHER THAT WE DON'T WANT TO MOVE OUT HERE.

THERE IS NO SIDEWALKS.

>> FROM L. A. , THAT'S THE COUNTRY?

>> YES , YES.

>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME STATISTICS AND WHAT IS REMARKABLE IS THE AMOUNT OF HOMEOWNERSHIP BY AFRICAN- AMERICANS.

HOW DID THAT COME TO BE.

OVER THOSE DECADES, SINCE YOUR DAD AND MOM MOVED THERE, WHY WAS IT A PLACE WHERE AMERICANS FELT COMFORTABLE?

>> THERE IS A STORY ON THE WEST SIDE WHERE MOST OF THE AFRICAN- AMERICANS HAD MIGRATED TO, BECAUSE THERE ARE THREE PARTS.

WEST, CENTRAL AND EAST.

THE EAST SIDE IS SLIGHTLY EAST OF LAKE AVENUE.

IT WAS VERY WARM AND INVITING .

THEY WERE WARM AND INVITING ON THE WEST SIDE.

THEY MADE IT COMFORTABLE FOR PEOPLE AND WE ATTENDED ALTADENA UNITED METHODIST CHURCH AND THERE WERE WONDERFUL PEOPLE WHO REALLY WELCOME AND EMBRACED US.

THEY EMBRACED US AS PEOPLE OF COLOR.

WE HAD PANCAKE BREAKFAST IS .

CENTRAL ALTADENA WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

THERE WAS A SMALL MIX OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS THERE AND ON THE EAST SIDE THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY FEW IF ANY AFRICAN- AMERICAN FAMILIES .

WITH SO MANY PEOPLE MIGRATING FROM LOS ANGELES, THERE WAS A COMMUNITY DEVELOPED.

SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO I FIRST MET IN 1965 ARE STILL MY CLOSEST AND BEST FRIENDS.

>> WHAT HAPPENS?

WHAT IS THE MAGIC THERE.

FOR BLACK FAMILIES TO PUT DOWN ROOTS AND TO TAKE THAT LEAP OF HOMEOWNERSHIP , YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING GENERATIONAL WEALTH PATTERNS.

>> PROPERTY VALUES IN LOS ANGELES WERE STARTING TO CHANGE.

WE MOVED IN FEBRUARY OF 1965 WHEN REITZ OCCURRED IN AUGUST 1965.

MY DAD BOUGHT THE HOUSE WHEN HE AND MY MOTHER GOT MARRIED IN LOS ANGELES AND THEY BOUGHT IT FOR $9000.

WE WERE ABLE TO LEAVE AND SOLD IT FOR $12,000.

IF YOU COULD BELIEVE THAT, WE MOVED OUT TO ALTADENA.

I REMEMBER MY DAD SAYING, WE ARE GOING TO BUY THIS HOUSE AND IT'S $32,000, BUT I'M GOING TO GO OUT TO THE REALTOR AND SAY IF I CAN TALK HIM DOWN A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS.

I SAID, WHAT'S A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS?

HE SAID THAT MAYBE LUNCH MONEY FOR SOMEBODY.

IT IS SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL.

IT WAS JUST A BETTER LIFE.

YOU ARE GOING FROM THE INNER- CITY OUT TO THE SUBURBS AND ALTADENA REALLY IS A SUBURB.

IT WAS A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE AND I'M TRYING TO ADJUST MY EMOTIONS AND I TALKED TO A FRIEND RECENTLY AND HE ASKED HOW I WAS FEELING AND I SAID, I'M IN A EMOTIONAL LIMBO.

I'M LOOKING BACK AT 1965 AND SOME OF THE EARLY YEARS.

THIS IS SO WARM .

TO GO BACK AND SEE UTTER DEVASTATION IS TOUGH.

IT REALLY IS.

>> I'M TRYING TO WITHHOLD MY EMOTIONS FOR THAT VERY REASON.

>> KEVIN, WHAT HAPPENS AFTER WE STOPPED DOING INTERVIEWS AND AFTER THE CAMERA CREWS ROLL AWAY AND YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE STILL IN THIS GRIEF?

>> THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

THERE IS A LOT OF INTERVIEWS, CAMERAS AND PEOPLE AROUND THERE.

WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO COMMUNITY.

I HAVE A SLIGHT BACKGROUND IN MENTAL HEALTH WITH A DEGREE IN PSYCHOLOGY .

I WORK WITH THE COUNSELING MINISTRIES AT OUR CHURCH.

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?

PEOPLE ARE HURTING.

I HAVE FRIENDS SAYING THAT THEY WILL NOT REBUILD.

THAT IS THEIR FIRST THOUGHT.

OTHER PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT NO MATTER WHAT, I'M GOING TO STAY.

THERE IS A LOT OF EMOTION THERE.

WE CALL IT EMOTIONAL WHIPLASH.

ONE DAY IT'S LIKE, I'M OUT OF HERE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.

I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THE EMOTIONAL FORTITUDE TO STAY FOR A YEAR TO SEE IF MY HOME WILL BE REBUILT.

THERE IS A LOT OF PAIN, BUT WE WILL TRY TO GET TOGETHER AND WE ACTUALLY ARE.

TALKING WITH MY COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS AND PEOPLE.

WE NEED SOME MENTAL HEALTH IN HERE TO HELP PEOPLE.

I THINK THE REAL WORK WILL BEGIN SHORTLY AFTER EVERYONE LEAVES.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

>> WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS HAD THIS PROMINENT PLACE IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AND AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY AS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE FELT SAFE SETTING UP HOMES , PUTTING DOWN ROOTS AND TRYING TO CREATE GENERATIONAL WEALTH?

WHAT HAPPENS IF A LARGE NUMBER OF THIS POPULATION DECIDES, I CAN'T STOMACH WAITING FOR A REBUILD .

THAT MIGHT TAKE YEARS AND I DON'T HAVE THE PATIENCE.

THE WRONG ANSWER, BUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THE COMMUNITY?

>> I HAD THIS QUESTION ASKED EARLIER.

A PASTOR AT OUR CHURCH SAID, WHEN YOU HAVE A CREW OF PEOPLE AND A GROUP OF FRIENDS, LET'S YOU HAVE FIVE THERE.

THEY DEVELOP A DYNAMIC AND WHEN ONE PERSON LEAVES THAT CREW, THE GROUP IS NOT THE SAME.

THE OTHER FOUR FRIENDS ARE THERE, BUT THAT ONE PERSONALITY IS GONE.

WHEN YOU REMOVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE AND IN THIS CASE, AFTER AMERICANS WHO WERE THERE FOR A LONG TIME, IT'S CHANGING THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S NOT THE SAME.

THERE IS A LOSS OF US AND HOMEOWNERSHIP.

I AM IN CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE AND WE CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN.

WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE SENSE OF LEGACY AND STRENGTH.

IT MAKES THE COMMUNITY A STRONG PLACE WHEN YOU HAVE ALL PARTS AND PEOPLE DIFFERENT RACES AND BACKGROUND IN THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S A VERY UNIQUE COMMUNITY AND A LOVELY PLACE .

IT'S JUST LOVELY.

I CAN'T EVEN DESCRIBE THE DEVASTATION THAT HAS OCCURRED AND THE SERENITY THERE BEFORE THE DISASTER TOOK PLACE.

>> DO YOU THINK IT WILL COME BACK?

>> I HOPE.

I DON'T KNOW.

HOW WOULD YOU REBUILD A COMMUNITY WHERE HOMES HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR OVER 100 YEARS?

MY WIFE AND I TAKE A WALK AND THAT WAS RIGHT OFF A PLACE FROM CHRISTMAS TREE LANE AND WHEN WE WERE DOING EARLY SHOTS OF THE FIRE, MOST OF THE FOOTAGE WERE COMING FROM A BLOCK AWAY, BLOCK AND A HALF AWAY FROM WHERE WE NORMALLY LIVE.

WE GO EAST AND NORTH UP TOWARDS THE FOOTHILLS.

THAT AREA WAS ALMOST TOTALLY DESTROYED.

THERE ARE PINE TREES AND THEODORE TREES.

IT WAS CALM.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU BUILD THAT BACK WITH THESE HOMES THAT ARE THERE THAT I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR 100 YEARS.

HOW ARE THEY GOING TO REPLACE THEM?

WILL SOMEONE COME AND PUT IT SKI IN A MODERN HOME.

WE CALL THOSE MODERNS IN ALTADENA.

THERE ARE MANY HOMES WHO HAVE BEAUTIFUL CHARACTER AND ENGLISH TUTOR .

HOW DO YOU BRING THAT BACK?

I DON'T KNOW .

I HOPE THAT WHEN PEOPLE REBUILD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

>> AS WE ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, THERE ARE STILL FIRES.

THERE ALSO SEEMS TO BE THE BEGINNING OF FINGER-POINTING SEASON.

PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO PLACE BLAME ON HOW THIS WAS MISMANAGED, WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BETTER OR COULD THIS HAVE BEEN PREVENTED?

YOU LIVE THROUGH IT AND STOOD THERE THROUGH THOSE 60 OR 70 MILE AN HOUR WINDS.

IS THERE SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS?

>> I HAVE A BACKGROUND IN INSURANCE AND WE USED TO TAKE CLASSES IN TERMS OF FIRE PREVENTION AND WHAT HAPPENS IN A FIRE.

THERE'S A FIRESTORM, WHICH PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT FIRE MAKES WEATHERPROOF HOURS DRIVING TOWARDS THE DEVASTATION AND AND LOOKED UP TOWARDS THE FOOTHILLS AND I SAW THIS TALL PALM TREE.

ALSO, IT ATTACKED THE TRUNK OF THE TREE AT ABOUT 50 TO 60 FEET HIGH.

IT TURNED FROM LITTLE AMBER TO A BRIGHT FLAME.

IT JUST EXPLODED FROM THAT TREE AND WENT OUT IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

NOT TALKING SMALL, BUT THE SIZE OF THREE AND FOUR INCHES.

THE 80 TO 90 MILE AN HOUR WINDS IS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO STOP THAT.

I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY WOULD HAVE STOPPED.

THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED.

HOW DO YOU STOP 90 MILE OR 100 MILE AN HOUR WINDS?

IS TRYING TO PUT THE FIRE OUT ON MY GARAGE.

THEY HAD A STRONG STREAM AND WHEN THE WIND GUSTS CAME, THE WATER CAME BACK IN MY FACE AND TALKING TO SEVERAL FIREFIGHTERS, THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED, TOO.

PEOPLE ARE ANGRY AND I DON'T BLAME THEM FOR BEING ANGRY.

IF THE POINTER FINGER AT SOMEBODY IN THE CYCLE OF GRIEF, BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SOLVES REALLY.

>> MOST OF YOUR FRIENDS HAVE INSURANCE.

DO YOU THINK THEY ARE FULLY INSURED?

>> IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD , WHICH IS CENTRAL ALTADENA, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE INSURANCE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE WEST SIDE WITH FIRE FOR SEVERAL YEARS BACK.

THE INSURANCE CHANGES.

IT GOES BACK TO A MORE SUBSTANDARD.

THEY CALL IT THE FAIR PLANT, SO THE ENTRANCE ISN'T QUITE AS GOOD, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO FIGHT FIRES.

MANY OF THEM DECIDED, BECAUSE OF THE COST INSURANCE .

THEY OWN THE HOME WITH NO MORTGAGE AND THEY DECIDED NOT TO HAVE INSURANCE.

I PERSONALLY KNOW OF THREE PEOPLE WHO DECIDED --THEY LOST EVERYTHING AND HAVE NO INSURANCE.

WE ARE SAYING, HOW CAN WE WHO DIDN'T SUFFER THE OTHER DOES STATION, HOW CAN WE HELP THEM?

I HOPE THERE IS SOMEONE OUT THERE -- THIS ISN'T A POLITICAL STATEMENT , BUT WHEN WE ARE BUILDING COMMUNITIES AND OTHER STATEMENTS, REBUILD ALTADENA.

IT IS A WONDERFUL PLACE WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME AND YOU LOVE TO LIVE HERE.

WHENEVER WE GO AND DESCRIBE OUR COMMUNITY, THEY SAY IT'S ON THE PLACE WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO LIVE.

I HOPE THERE ARE FUNDS AVAILABLE FROM THE GOVERNMENT WHO CAN COME IN AND HELP THESE PEOPLE.

MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY.

>> WHAT IS THAT LEGACY THAT YOU WANT TO LEAVE BEHIND THAT MAYBE MIGHT BE MISSING NOW?

>> IT'S MAKING SURE THAT MY CHILDREN CAN INHERIT MY HOME .

NOT ONLY MY HOME, BUT MY COMMUNITY.

I JUST HOPE THAT NOT TOO MANY NEIGHBORS DECIDE TO LEAVE , BECAUSE THAT CHANGES THE COMMUNITY.

THAT IS WHAT I HOPE FOR.

I REALLY DO.

I'M A PERSON THAT LOVES PEOPLE.

I LOVE BEING AROUND PEOPLE.

I WAS A COACH AND I LIKE TO HELP PEOPLE.

THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE STAYED BEHIND.

MY WIFE SAID, WHY WERE YOU THERE?

WHEN YOU ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND WHEN THE GARAGE CAUGHT FIRE I SAID, I DON'T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MY NEIGHBORS HOMES BURNING DOWN.

WE HAVE A KID NEXT TO US AND HIS NAME IS ELLIOTT.

HE JUST CELEBRATED HIS TWO-YEAR BIRTHDAY.

I JUST THOUGHT THAT IF HOME BURNS DOWN, HOW WILL THAT AFFECT HIM OR MY NEIGHBOR TO THE OTHER SIDE WHO IS JUST A WONDERFUL NEIGHBOR.

IS MY HOME RESPONSIBLE?

I HOPE THAT THE COMMUNITIES , WE CAN REBUILD IT SOMEHOW, SO THAT EVERYONE CAN LIVE TOGETHER IN HARMONY AS MUCH AS YOU CAN.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S A UNIQUE PLACE.

IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE.

I JUST HOPE IT HASN'T BEEN DAMAGED FOREVER.

THAT'S MY HOPE.

WE CAN SOMEHOW RETAIN SOME OF THE LEGACY OF EXPERIENCE OF CAMMARDERIE AND TOGETHERNESS.

>> LONG TIME RATHER THAN RESIDENT OF ALTADENA , THANK YOU.

I WISH THE BEST FOR YOU AND YOUR COMMUNITY.

>> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR SHEDDING LIGHT ON MY COMMUNITY THAT I LOVE AND ADORE.

THAT'S IT FOR OUR PROGRAM TONIGHT.

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