JD VANCE's HONEYMOON IS OVER.

>> WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD.

I'M ANNA STAVER SITTING IN FOR MIKE THOMPSON.

J. D. VANCE ,HAS BEEN CAMPAIGNING HARD SINCE ACCEPTING DONALDTRUMP'SO FFER TO BE HIS RUNNINGMATE.

HE HAS TO EXPLAIN THINGS THA THE SAID, LIKE THE DEMOCRATICPARTY IS RUN BYCHILDLESS CATLADIES ,OR SIMONE BILES LEAVINGTHE 2020 OLYMPICS WAS NOTSOMETHING TO BE PRAISED ,CALLING IT HER WEAKEST MOMENT.

TRUMPIS STICKING WITH VANCE,BUT HE GAVE AN ODD RESPONSEWHEN ASKED ABOUT HISPRESIDENTIAL READINESS.

>>WHEN YOU LOOK AT VANCE, ISHE READY ON DAY ONE IF HE HASTO BE?

>> I HAVE ALWAYS HAD GREATRESPECT FOR HIM, AND THE OTHERCANDIDATES, TOO.

BUT I WILL SAY THIS.

WELLDOCUMENTED.

AND I THINK IT IS HISTORICALLY, THE VICEPRESIDENT, IN TERMS OF THEELECTION DOES NOT HAVE ANYIMPACT.

YOU HAVE TWO OR THREE DAYS,LIKE THEY ARE HAVING IT ON THEDEMOCRATSIDE, WITH IT WILL BE.

ALLABOUT THE PRESIDENTIAL PICK.

THAT DIES DOWN AND IT IS >> THERE ARE NOW RUMORS THATDONALD TRUMP MAY HAVE SOMEBUYERS REMORSE IS THEREANYTRUTH TO THAT?

>> I WOULD NOT KNOW, I AM NOTTHAT CLOSE TO THE SCENE, BUTOBVIOUSLY HE HAS NOT BEEN VERYHELPFUL,AS A PAST PRESIDENT,THE LAST FEW WEEKS, SAYINGTHINGS, LIKE BUT HE SAID THATHE WAS RUNNING FOR THE SENATE IN'22.

AGAIN, I WOULD AGREE SOMEWHATWITH DONALD TRUMP ,WHEN HE SAYSTHAT VICE PRESIDENTCHOICESDONOT HAVE AN IMPACT, THAT HASHISTORICALLY BEEN TRUE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHOARE NOT HAPPY WITH EITHER ONEOF THE CANDIDATES.

THIS COULD TIP IT ONE WAY ORTHE OTHER.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I AM SURE THATTRUMP WOULD HAVE SOME BUYER'SREMORSE, YOU KNOW HE HASSAIDSOME THINGS EQUALLY AS CRAZY,IF THAT IS A GOOD WORD, ASVANCE.

>> IN A MOMENT OF CONFIDENCE,THE POLLS EVENTUALLYLOOKEDLIKE HE WAS GOING TO BE HEADINGFOR A LANDSLIDE VICTORY, THENBIDENDROPPED OUT AND HARRISBECAME THE PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE,DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD'VE DONETHINGS DIFFERENTLY, IF HE COULDHAVE GONE BACK AND DONE THINGSOVER?

>> I AM NOT PREDICTING WHAT HESHOULD HAVE DONE, WHAT HE WILL,WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET RICHMAKING THAT BET THAT IT DOESMAKE YOU WONDER ABOUT THECALCULATION HERE.

YOU KNOW, THIS WAS ALL LESSTHAN THREE WEEKS AGO, THESPINCYCLE HAS BEEN UNPRECEDENTED ,IN MY CAREER ANYHOW, IT MAKESYOU WONDER.

YEAH.

I THINK THAT HE WAS GOING FOR,YOU KNOW, THIS GUYWANTS ME, HEIS CLOSESTTO ME, HE IS SOMEONEWHO WILL CEMENT MY LEGACY,HOPEFULLY LATER ON DOWN THEROAD, 2028 AND BEYOND.

HIS CHILDREN, ESPECIALLY DONJR.

,WITH J. D. VANCE, THEY HAVE BECOME VERYCLOSE IN RECENT YEARS.

NO CALCULATION FOR THETRADITIONAL BALANCING OF THETICKET NUMBER OR MAYBETHISPERSON CAN GET VOTERS IF ICAN'T.

AND I THINKIF WE LOOK, YOUKNOW, BACK AT 2016, WITH MIKEPENCE, I THINK THAT WAS A CLEAROVERTURE TO EVANGELICALCHRISTIANS.

HARDTO REMEMBER, IN A WAY, BUTEVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS WEREVERY SUSPICIOUS OF IT THENCANDIDATE TRUMP, BACK IN 2015,AND THEN 2016, DURING THECAMPAIGN.

HE NEEDED TO GIVE THEM SOMEASSURANCES.

THIS GUY HAS BEEN MARRIEDTHREETIMES, HE WAS ONCE PRO-CHOICE,HE SAYS ALL SORTS OF THINGSTHAT MANY CHRISTIANS FINDOBJECTIONABLE , GETTINGSOMEONELIKE MIKE PENCE TO SORT OFVOUCH FOR YOU, IF YOU WILL.

YOU KNOW, THAT HELP HIM OUT.

EVANGELICALS ARE SOME OF HISBIGGEST SUPPORTERS NOW.

>> WOULD HE GO BACK ?

I DON'TKNOW, MAYBE MARCO RUBIO,THESENATOR, MORE OUTREACH TOHISPANIC VOTERS.

ANESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATE.

A LITTLE BIT MORE OF I TALKED TO SOMEONE, AND WEWANTED TO TALK ABOUT THESEPROBLEMS, BEFORE THE PICK WASMADE .

YOU KNOW?

BETWEEN VANCE AND RUBIO, AND HESAID VANCE .

VANCE IS A HIGHRISK CANDIDATE,THE MOSTPOTENTIAL FOR GAIN, AND THEMOST POTENTIAL FOR LOSS.

I THINK WE ARE SEEING THE MOSTPOTENTIAL FOR LOSS, IT DOESN'TMAKE ME QUESTION THE PROCESS .

OR, AS MIKESAID, HEY , THEREARE SOME WILD THINGS BEING SAIDAT THE TOP OF THE TICKET, WHYWOULD HE CARE, IF THERE ARE AFEW WILD THINGS IN J. D. VANCE'S PAST.

KNOW,AS WE TAPED THIS, AND THIS COMING WEEK , YOU SENTTOSEVERAL KEY WESTERN STATES,INCLUDING NEVADA TO NOT ONLYRAISE MONEY.

>> HE WAS CAUGHTTHIS WEEKSAYING THAT HARRIS BEING NAMEDTHE NOMINEE WAS ", A SUCKERPUNCH.

THE PHRASE MEANS THAT YOU HAVEDONE SOMETHING UNFAIR.

WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT BIDENDROPPING OUT, SUBVERTING THEWILL OF THE VOTERS, THAT IT WASA SUCKER PUNCH?

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE ASUCKER PUNCH.

ADIFFERENT DEFINITION OF THATPHRASE.

BUT I THINK, THAT TRUMP , ISJUST TRUMP.

YOU CANNOT PREDICT ANYTHINGTHAT HE DOES.

PUNCH,TO ME, THERE IS NO THE CONCEPT OF A SUCKER DOUBTWHATSOEVER , THAT BIDEN GOT OUTFOR ONE REASON, HE COULD NOTWIN.

ALL THE DEMOCRATIC PEOPLETALKING TO HIM, THEY SAID, WEARE GOING TO LOSE THE HOUSE , WEARE GOING TO LOSE THE SENATE.

WHATSTARTED EVERYTHING.

OBVIOUSLY, THE DEBATE IS WHENHARRIS BECOMES THE NOW, CAN YOU SAY THAT PRESUMPTIVECANDIDATE, THAT THIS IS AREALLY STAGGERING CHANGE WITHALL OF YOUR PLANS?

SURE.

I WOULD NOT CALL IT A SUCKERPUNCH.

IT IS POLITICS.

HE GOT OUT, AS WE ALL KNOW, THEPRESSURE WAS ENORMOUS.

AND NOW, TRUMP,THE WHOLE PLANAGAINST BIDEN , IT ISREALLY MUCHGONE.

>> HOWHAS ANOTHER IMPORTANTDECISION,?

WHO SHOULD REPRESENTUS IN THE U. S. SENATE, IT COULDDETERMINE WHICH PARTY CONTROLSTHAT CHAMBER COME JANUARY.

THE GAP IS STARTINGTO CLOSE.

CONVENTIONAL POLITICAL WISDOM ,I AM A LITTLE AFRAID TO SAYTHAT THIS YEAR, BUT CANDIDATESWHO TAKE ON INCUMBENT LOOK TORAISE MORE MONEY, AND AND THELATEST FINANCIAL REPORTS SHOWONE WITH$7 MILLION.

DOES THAT MEAN WE >> IT IS NICE THAT YOU HAVERAISEDMORE THAN YOUR OPPONENT.

BUT THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE THEBIG MONEY BY ANY STRETCH, GOODGRIEF, THE FIRST COUPLE OFMONTHS OF THE YEAR,REPUBLICANS, $83 MILLION IN ADS, THEY DID NOT EVEN KNOW WHO THECANDIDATE WAS , BUT YOU KNOW,THAT MAY GO UP, ALONGWITH ONEOF THE TOP CONTESTSIN THENATION, WITH WEST VIRGINIA, OFFTHE TABLE, THAT COULD WELLDECIDE CONTROL OF THE SENATE,SHERROD BROWN, GETTING INTOHIGHER POLITICS ,WAY BEFOREYOU WERE BORN, THAT'S FOR SURE.

EVEN MIKE AND I MIGHT HAVE HADSOME OF OUR NATURAL HAIR, 1974 ,TWO-YEAR HIATUS.

>> YOU WORD NOT EVENA THOUGHTFOR YOUR PARENTS.

YEAH, LIKE I SAID , SHERRODBROWN IS UP ON HIM 13 MILLION ,WHAT IS IT?

6 POINT SOMETHING MILLION.

YOU CAN HAVE EIGHT 10 TO ONEADVANTAGE,IN 1972, AHEAD OFTHE WATERGATE BREAK-IN, WHAT INTHE WORLDCOULD THEY HAVEEXPECTED THEY WOULD FIND, THEYCOULD EVEN HAVE MORE.

ANYHOW, YEAH, THE BIG BUCKSCOME FROM THE OUTSIDE.

THAT IS THE PARTIES.

THROW IN ALL SORTS OF SPECIALINTEREST GROUPS, AND OHIO -- >>THE WINNER THIS NOVEMBER?

>> IT IS A DARN SHAME , ISN'T IT?

IN SOME WAYS , IT IS ANOTHERPOTENTIALPRESIDENTIAL YEAR INOHIO.

THERE ARE A FEW ADS ONPRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS, JUST ASRECENT AS EIGHT YEARS AGO,THERE WAS , YOU KNOW, IT WASTHOUGHT THAT OHIO WAS IN PLAY.

THAT WAS A BOMBARDMENT.

BUT, IT IS GOING TO BE SHERRODBROWN AND BERNIE MORENO ADS.

>> SENATOR SHERROD BROWNNEEDSTO, QUOTE, SUSS OUT WHAT HEDIDOR DID NOT KNOW ABOUTPRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES' MENTALAND PHYSICAL HEALTH,THEY ARESAYING THAT HE PUTTHE COMPANYAT RISK DO YOUTHINK THAT ISGOING TO MATTER NOW THAT HARRISIS THE LIKELY NOMINEE?

>> ONLY THAT HE PICKED HARRISTO BE DENOMINATED I DON'T THINKIT IS GOING TO MEAN TOO MUCHBUT I THINK THERE IS A LOT OFSYMPATHY FOR BIDEN, BECAUSE HEDOES NOT SEEM TO BE QUITE RIGHTMENTALLY, YET.

AND SO PICKING ON HIM, IT IS NOTAS IMPORTANT, I DON'T THINK.

SO, BACK TO THE QUESTION, ABOUTTHE MONEY, TRUMP WON OHIO BY8% IN 2016,AND I THINK2020 ITWAS LIKE 815%--8.

5%.

A LOT OF THEM WILL VOTEFORBERNIE MORENO, THE OTHER SIDEIS THE SAME, THE PEOPLE WHO INOHIO, THEY WILL VOTE FORBROWN.

I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE AVERY CLOSERACE.

I THINK THAT SHERROD BROWN ISONE OF THE HAPPIEST GUYS INTHE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, TO HAVEBIDEN VONAND HARRIS IN, THATIS GOING TO HELP A LOT OF THEDEMOCRATS.

SO, WE WILL SEE.

IT IS NICETO HAVE THE MONEY,BUT I DO NOT THINK IT WILL BETHE CONTROLLING FACTOR IN THATRACE.

>> THERE ARE POLLS THAT SHOWSHERROD BROWN LEADING BERNIEMORENO , BUTTHE LEAD HAS BEENCUT IN HALF, SO BROWN'SLEAD ISSHRINKING, DO YOU THINK IT WILLEVAPORATE?

>> THAT IS A KEY QUESTION.

WE SHOULD NOTE THAT POLLS , THEMARGIN OFERROR IS EXACTLY 4%AS WELL.

>> IT IS A TOSSUP BY EVERYRATING.

>> I DO NOT CALLTHESTATISTICAL TIES, A FOUR-POINTLEAD IS A FOUR-POINT LEAD, JUSTKNOW WHAT THE MARGIN OF ERRORIS, BROWN COULD STILL BE AHEAD,YOU COULDBE THERE, EITHER WAY,I THINK THAT WHAT MIKE TOUCHEDON BEENPRETTYMUCH A GIVEN, , YOU KNOW IT HAS THATTRUMP ISGOING TO WIN OHIO.

UP BY NINE OR10 POINTS, YOUKNOW,AGAINST BIDEN, THAT HADBEEN EVEN HIGHER.

SO SHERROD BROWN HAS TOCONVINCE PEOPLE TO GO IN ANDVOTE FOR DONALDTRUMP, GO INAND VOTE FOR SHERROD BROWN.

AND THAT IS ONLYONCE IN RECENTHISTORY THAT THEY HAVE PULLEDOFF THAT DATE, SUSAN COLLINS ,IWILL CALL HER AN INDEPENDENT,SHE IS A REPUBLICAN FROM THESTATE OF MAINE.

ITOFDRAWING LEGISLATIVE >> THE CURRENT METHOD ANDCONGRESSIONAL METHODS IS SAIDTO NOT WORK.

HE WANTS TO CHANGE IT, BUT HEDOES NOT SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT,THE ONE THAT WOULD CREATE ABIPARTISAN NONPOLITICALCOMMISSION TO DRAW DISTRICTLINES >> IF THE FIRST BALLOT PROPOSALWERE TO BE ADOPTED, OHIO WOULDHAVE A SYSTEM THAT MANDATES,THAT MANDATES, THAT COMPELS ,TOPRODUCE GERRYMANDERED DISTRICTSDID IN FACT , OHIO WOULD HAVEGERRYMANDERING IN THE EXTREME.

>> OHIOSHOULD LOG TO WHATIWHAT HAS DONE, SUPPORTERS OFTHE AMENDMENT IMMEDIATELYCRITICIZE THE GOVERNOR FORSPREADINGTHIS INFORMATION,SAYING, WE ARE DONE LISTENINGTO SELF-SERVING POLITICIANSTELLING US HOW THEY WANT TOKEEP PLAYING THE GAME.

UNTIL NOVEMBER.

MIKE,THE POSITION OF THEGOVERNOR LOOKS A LOT LIKE THEONE HE'D TOOK LAST NOVEMBER ONREPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS , THE BILLTHAT HE SIGNED, HE SAID THATTHE REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTSAMENDMENT WAS NEITHER.

HE WAS HOPING FOR A THIRD THATTHAT NEVER MATERIALIZED.

IS HE REPEATING HIMSELF HERE?

>> I DON'T THINK THAT IT ISGOING TO CHANGE, IT WAS TOOLATE, BUT --IT >> THAT IS HOW IT IS.

>> THIS ISSUE WITHGERRYMANDERING, THEPEOPLE WHOWANT THIS CHANGE, REALLY, THEPEOPLE WHO ARE PUSHING IT,RAISING THE MONEY, AND SOFORTH, THEY ARE FIGURING THATIT WILL HELP THEM, THAT'S IT.

THE IDEA,THATIT IS ALL FAIR,I DON'T ACCEPT AT ALL.

IF THE SHOE WERE ON THE OTHERFOOT, IT WOULD BE THE SAME WAY.

12 YEARS AGO, WHEN THEY HAD ASTRUCTURE WORKED OUT BETWEENTHE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS,THEY HAD ALL THREE .

AT THE LASTMINUTE, THE DEMOCRATS LOOKED ATTHE RACE, THOUGHT THEY WOULDWIN THE NOVEMBER ELECTION,CANCEL EVERYTHING.

BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT, WELL, WEWILL WIN THE ELECTION, IT WILLBE IN OUR FAVOR.

I DON'T CARE HOW THE LINES AREDRAWN, WHOEVER LOSES, THE RACEIN NOVEMBER, IS GOINGTO SAY,LOOK, WE LOST OUT, BECAUSE OFGERRYMANDERING.

SO I THINK THAT IT GOES ON ANDON AND ON, AND THERE IS NOANSWER OF WHAT GOVERNORMIKEDeWINE WANTS, SO FAR AS ANOTHEROPTION, IT IS NOT WHATHAPPENED THERE >> THERE ARE PEOPLE GOING ONAND ON AND ON, THATOHIO, GOINGFOR REDISTRICTING.

I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE AREGOING TO BE SO FATIGUED, THEYWILL SAY, THIS AGAIN?

>> I AM SOMEWHAT SURPRISED.

YOU KNOW, FOR YEARS , YOU KNOW ?

ON THESHOW, YOUR SHOW, ANDTHEY TALK A LOT ABOUTREDISTRICTING AND WHYPEOPLETHOUGHT THAT WAS SO BAD.

AND THE MAIN THING WAS, YOUKNOW, THERE IS X PERCENTAGE OFONE PARTY, IN THIS STATE , BUTTHAT PARTY HADWAYDISPROPORTIONATE REPRESENTATIONIN THE HOUSE AND THECONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION.

I THINK THAT PEOPLE STARTED TOGET THAT A LITTLE BIT.

NOW, AS FAR AS THIS PROPOSAL,MIKE IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

WHEN YOU GET TO GOVERNORSTRICKLAND , THEY ACTUALLY DIDHAVE PRETTY STRONG DEMOCRATICTICKET , UNDER THEN-SPEAKER OFTHE HOUSE, REPUBLICAN, THEYWORKED OUT A DEAL.

BASICALLY, THEY HAD A PLAN, IHAVE TALKED TO THE DEMOCRATICCHAIRMAN, AND THE LIEUTENANTGOVERNOR ABOUT THISAND THEN,THEY DID THECALCULATIONS, WHYDO WE COMPROMISE AND GIVEAWAYTHE UPPERHAND THAT WE ARE GOINGTO HAVE AFTER NOVEMBER?

THATWAY.

>> IT HAS GOT TO WORK OUT >> THERE WAS A FELLOW NAMEDJOHN KASICH , AND THENTHEREPUBLICAN TICKET SLEPTALL OFTHE DOWN BALLOT OFFICES,REDISTRICTING, THAT IS AFUNDAMENTAL THING.

AND OHIO IS A REPUBLICAN STATEBY ALL INDICATIONS, THEOFFICEHOLDERS, FOR SEVERALCYCLES NOW,WE HAVE A MAJORITYIN THE OHIO SUPREME COURT.

SO, IT IS GOING TO BE AREPUBLICAN STATE.

BUT OUR STATESENATE, OUR STATEHAS ASUPER MAJORITY OFREPUBLICANS , WHICH DOES NOTSEEM TO THREATEN THE POLITICALMAKEUP OF OHIO, WHATGOVERNORMIKE DeWINE SAID ABOUTGERRYMANDERING, YOU KNOW?

THAT IS NOT ALL WRONG.

WHY ARE YOU MAKINGTHAT APOLITICALLY-BALANCED STATE ?

OKAY, LET'S SAY THAT IT COMESOUT, THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE,ALL RIGHT?

IT IS A HARD WAY TO DO IT,THEREPUBLICANS ARE LIKELY TO WIN.

AND WE HAVEOVER ALL, A BALANCEDMAP.

BUT THE PRACTICALITY OF WHATTHAT MAP IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE,IT IS NOT GOING TO HAVE CONTACTDISTRICTS LIKE WE ALL LIKE.

ITWILL NOT ADHERE TO POLITICALBOUNDARIES LIKE WE ALL LIKE.

IT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKEREDISTRICTING, WE HAVE BEENFOLLOWING THAT, YOU KNOW JIMJORDAN'S DISTRICT , THEREAREGOING TO BE WEIRD THINGS MOSTLIKELY.

SO, YOU HAVE COMPETING DEMANDS.

YOU WANT POLITICAL BALANCE, ORDO YOU WANT IT CONTINUOUS?

>> THIS IDEA THAT WE HAVE TOHAVE GERRYMANDERING TO MAKE ITPOLITICALLY BALANCED ?

>> I LIKE THAT >> I AGREE.

> >> THURSDAY ATMIDNIGHT,RUNNING THROUGH NEXT THURSDAY,IT USED TO BE THREE DAYS, NOWIT IS 10 DAYS.

IT USED TO BE FOR SCHOOLSUPPLIES UNDER $75, NOW IT ISBASICALLY ANYTHING.

AND IT IS UP TO PURCHASES OF$500.

THE LIBERAL POLICY GROUP , POLICYMATTERS OHIO, IS NOT A FANOFTHE HOLIDAY, THEY SAY THE STATELOSES HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OFDOLLARS FROM CONSUMERS TO SAVEA LITTLE BIT, BUT IT IS THE BIGRETAILERS WHO COME OUT THE BIGWINNERS.

THIS SALES TAX HOLIDAY CAMEABOUT THE LAST SESSION, AND THEPRICE TAG RUFFLED SOMEFEATHERS.

IT COST THE STATE $20 MILLION.

THIS ONEWOULD BE MORE THAN$740 MILLION.

HOW ON EARTH DID WE GET ACONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANLEGISLATURE TO GO FOR $740MILLION?

>> IT IS A TAX CUT.

>> THAT'S TRUE.

>> WE CUT TAXES, BY ALMOSTTHREE-QUARTERS OF 1 BILLIONDOLLARS, REGARDLESSOF THE FINEPRINT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS REALLYTHE DEBATE.

YOU COVERED IT REALLY WELL ACOUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

ARGUMENT,YOU KNOW?

THERE WAS ALWAYS THE DOES IT HURT OR HELP RETAILERS?

AND THEY CONVINCED THEM ,LIKEYOU SAY, IT USED TO BE JUST AFEW DAYS, NOW THEY HAVE A WEEK.

GO BUY YOUR TIRES AND ALL THAT.

IT HAS BEEN ANALYZED TO DEATH,I AM NOT SURE THERE IS ANANSWER HERE.

>>MIKE, IT HAS BEEN LESS THANEXPECTED IN RECENT MONTHS, DOYOU THINK THIS IS SOMETHINGTHEY WOULD BE ABLE TO REPEATGOING FORWARD?

DO THEY WORRY THAT MAYBE THEYCANNOT AFFORDTHE CHECK?

>> THERE ARE CUTS THEY CAN MAKEFROM OTHER PLACES, YOU KNOW,THE CONCEPT BEHIND THIS IS AGOOD ONE, I THINK, YOU KNOW,YOU HAD THREE DAYS OR FOURDAYS, THEORETICALLY THEY WOULDGO BACK TO SCHOOL, ROUGHLY ,WHATEVER IT IS, 6%, HOW MUCHTHAT IS PRACTICAL, YOU REALLYNEED THAT, THEN YOU , HOW MANYOF THEM NEEDED, I DON'T KNOWBUT I DON'T IMAGINE IT WAS100%, BY ANY MEANS.

NOW THEY HAVE EXPANDED IT TO10, EVERYBODY GETS TO DO IT BUTI PURCHASECARS THAT KNOW THAT YOU CANNOT >> IF YOU CAN GET ACAR FORUNDER $500.

>> IT WON'T RUN.

>> A TOY CAR.

>> BUT ANYWAY, ONE SIDE SAYSITIS TERRIBLE , ANDTHE OTHER SIDESAYSTHAT IT IS TERRIBLE, INTHE LONG RUN, I DON'T THINK ITMAKES MUCH DIFFERENCE.

>> THEY HAVE SAID THAT WESHOULD HAVE PUT THE MONEY INTOA REFUNDABLE INCOME TAX CREDITWHICH IS SOMETHING THEY HAVEBEEN BEGGING FOR FOR YEARS ANDYEARS AND YEARS.

IT IS THE HEART OF LEGISLATIVEARGUMENT, WHERE SHOULD WE PUTTHE MONEY?

>> ABSOLUTELY, WHICH POTDO YOUSWEETEN, WHICH POT DO YOU DRAIN?

>> IT CERTAINLY IS BAD POLICYWISE BUT LIBERAL -ORIENTED.

SO, YEAH,THAT PROPOSAL, THEREFUNDABLE EARNEDINCOME TAX,AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE .

ONTHE OTHER HAND, THEY RAILAGAINST THESALES TAX, BECAUSEIT IS NOT A PROGRESSIVE TAX.

THEPOOR MORE.

>> THAT IS ARGUABLY HELPING >> ARGUABLY, FOR THE POOR, ITIS A BIGGER PERCENTAGE OF THEIROVERALL INCOME.

IT IS SURPRISING THEY DO NOTLIKE THIS.

>> I THINK ON BALANCE, YOUKNOW, THIS WAY, NOW THE RICHPEOPLE CAN GO IN AND THEY CANGET THEIR TIRES, JUST LIKE THEPOOR.

>> YOU COULD ALSO GET A VERYEXPENSIVE STEAK.

SOMEPLACES.

>> MAYBE EVEN TWO, AT >> YEAH.

TOSPREADIT OUT, DEMOCRATS WOULD >> REPUBLICANS WANTED LIKE TOTARGET IT AT THOSE LOWER -INCOMEBRACKETS.

IT IS A TRICK , YOU ARE RIGHT ,BECAUSE THESEPAST SEVERALYEARS, COVET EIGHTEVERYTHINGUP, IT SEEMS TO BE COMING TO ANEND.

AND THIS WAS DESIGNED,SOMETHING THAT COULD MAKE ITHAPPEN, YOU KNOW THELEGISLATURE DECIDES WHAT PERIODOF DAYS, IF ANY, THAT THISWOULD TAKE PLACE.

YOU KNOW , IT COULD BE A TAXINCREASE.

>> TIME FOR THE FINAL, OFF THERECORD , PARTING SHOT.

>> THE FINAL PARTING SHOT ,I AMA GUY WHO VOTES BOTH PARTIES.

I AM A LIFELONG REPUBLICAN.

BUT I VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS,PEOPLE WHO I THINK ARE BETTER.

ONCE IN A WHILE.

WHAT I AM GOING TO DO THISYEAR, THE FIRST PERSON I HEAROUT THERE, REGARDLESS OF WHATTHEIR PARTY AFFILIATION IS,THAT SAYS, LOOK, I AM RUNNINGAGAINST X, X ISA FINE HUMANBEING, BUT WE HAVE A DIFFERENCEOF AGREEMENT, SO, I AM GOING TOGO THIS WAY.

I AM SO TIRED OF EVERYBODYSCREAMING AT THE OTHER GUY, YOUKNOW, I AM RIGHT, THIS GUY IS ABOMB, HE DOES NOT KNOWANYTHING.

WITHTHAT.

YOU KNOW, I AM SO FED UP AND I HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS.

TO GET MY LITTLE VOTE, IT ISPRETTY SIMPLE, ACT LIKE ANORMAL PERSON, THE WAY THAT ITHINK POLITICS USED TO BE,BACKIN THE '50s, '60s, '70s,BECAUSE IT IS GONE NOW.

I MISS YOU.

>> I HAVE BEEN AROUND THIS SHOWFOR A LONG TIME.

15 YEARS AGO, A SENIOR INUPPERARLINGTON, A CHAMPION ROWER , HADTO HAVE BOTH LEGS REMOVED.

I CONSIDER HIM A DEAR FRIEND.

HE IS IN THE PARALYMPICS THISYEAR, HE MADE THE TEAM IN 2016,WENT TO 2020IN TOKYO, GOT THESILVER.

>> THAT IS ALL FOR COLUMBUS ONTHE RECORD FOR THIS WEEK.

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