>> SOON, THE VOTERS HAVE THEIR TURN.

>> WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD, AFTER MONTHS AND MONTHS OF SPEECHES, DEBATES, NEGATIVE TV ADS, GLASSY MAILERS WITH BLURRY PICTURES, SOON THE VOTERS WILL TELL US WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DIDN'T, WHO THEY WANT TO LEAD US AND WHO THEY DON'T.

THE RACE FOR PRESIDENT REMAINS EXTREMELY CLOSE NATIONALLY AND IN THE SEVEN SWING STATES, IN THE FORMER SWING STATE OF OHIO, TRUMP MAINTAINS HIS LEAD, BY EIGHT POINTS, 52% TO KAMALA HARRIS 44% ACCORDING TO THE 538 AVERAGE OF POLLS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE TREND LINES, WHY IS SO STRONG IN OHIO?

>> YES.

I THINK THAT IS TRUE, I DETECT IN THAT LINE, THE SLIGHTEST, ONE PERCENTAGE POINT MOVE OF KAMALA HARRIS AND SHE HAS BEEN THE NOMINEE VERSUS BIDEN AND THAT WILL AFFECT THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE OBVIOUSLY BUT IT COULD AFFECT SOME OF THE DOWN TICKET RACES.

BUT YES, AS LONG AS IT IS HIM, OHIO LOVES HIM, AS FAR AS WHAT THAT SAYS ABOUT THE WHOLE LONG- TERM OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE BALLOT, I THINK THAT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT YET.

>> IT ISN'T THE THIRD CYCLE WITH TRUMP ON THE BALLOT HERE IN OHIO, WHAT IS IT THAT KEEPS HIM STEADY, NO UP OR DOWN REALLY AND WHAT MIGHT KAMALA HARRIS HAVE TO DO TO EVEN THE LEAD?

2020 ELECTION AND COMPARING JOE BIDEN'S PERFORMANCE TO HILLARY CLINTON, BIDEN NETTED ADDITIONAL VOTERS IN THE SUBURBAN AREAS AROUND COLUMBUS, DAYTON, CINCINNATI AND EVEN TOLEDO, AND A LITTLE BIT OF AKRON BUT TRUMP GAINED VOTERS IN THE CANTON AREA AND IN THE MAHONING VALLEY, SO I THINK FOR DEMOCRATS TO GET OUT OF THAT, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND WHAT THE BOTTOM IS IN PLACES LIKE TRUMBULL COUNTY AND MAHONING COUNTY AND GO FROM THERE BUT IF THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE SUCCESS, I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE IN THE SUBURBAN AREAS OF CINCINNATI AND COLUMBUS BECAUSE THERE'S SOME SIGNS OF STRENGTH THEY CAN BUILD ON.

>> IN 2020, JOE BIDEN WAS REALLY HERE, KAMALA HARRIS IS DOING STUFF IN YOUNGSTOWN AND TOLEDO FOR THE SPILLOVER INTO MICHIGAN AND PENNSYLVANIA.

BIDEN DID DO SOME ADVERTISING IN OHIO IN 2020 BUT NOTHING TO THE DEGREE THAT HILLARY CLINTON TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT OHIO IS NO LONGER A SWING STATE.

I CAN BELIEVE THAT ACTUALLY, I THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL DO BETTER THAN THE 8% HE DID IN BOTH 16 AND 20, I THINK HE IS STRONGER NATIONALLY AND I THINK THAT STRENGTH WILL INCREASE THE MARGIN.

I'M THINKING HE IS GOING TO CARRY OHIO AROUND 12 POINTS.

>> MORGAN, OHIO IS VOTING OVERWHELMINGLY LAST YEAR FOR AN ABORTION RIGHTS AMENDMENT, AND OVERWHELMINGLY FOR MARIJUANA, WHY CAN'T THAT TRANSLATE TO CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT, IN OTHER RACES LIKE GOVERNOR?

>> I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO IN REBUILDING THE DEMOCRATIC BRAND IN OHIO, ESPECIALLY IN SOME OF THE AREAS THAT ANDREW REFERENCED BUT, THAT IS A LONG-TERM PROJECT AND I THINK STILL EVEN IN THIS RACE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE TRY TO KEEP THE MARGIN AS NARROW AS WE CAN AND THE CONDITIONS ARE THERE TO SEE IF THAT COULD HAPPEN BUT TO YOUR POINT, SOME OF THESE EARLIER BALLOT INITIATIVES ON REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS AND LEGALIZING MARIJUANA HAVE INITIATED NEW VOTERS TO COME TO MORE LIBERAL SIDES OF VOTING AND FOR EXAMPLE, I HAVE TALKED TO SOMEONE WHO WASN'T REALLY A CONSISTENT VOTER BEFORE LAST CYCLE AND DOES THINK THAT ONGOING THREATS TO FREEDOM ARE SOMETHING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.

SO, WE WILL SEE.

AND THE OTHER POINT I WOULD MAKE, SOME OF THESE DOWN BALLOT RACES THAT ARE COMPETITIVE, THEY HAVE REALLY WELL ORGANIZED FIELD OPERATIONS ESPECIALLY IN THE SUBURBAN AREAS IN COLUMBUS FOR EXAMPLE AND THEY ARE LIKELY TO PULL OUT FOLKS WHO MIGHT SUPPORT KAMALA HARRIS AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN KEEP A MARGIN OF ERROR.

>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GRAPHICS, THEY SHOWED A BLUE WALL, THERE IS A BIG HOLE IN THAT BLUE WALL, FROM PENNSYLVANIA, MICHIGAN AND THERE IS OHIO, WHY IS OHIO NO LONGER PART OF THAT WALL, THEY ALWAYS SAY EDUCATION, THE COLLEGE EDUCATION RATE IN OHIO IS THE SAME AS MICHIGAN AND WISCONSIN, A LITTLE LESS THAN PENNSYLVANIA, WHICH HAS PHILADELPHIA.

THE MEDIAN AGE IS 40, ACROSS THE BOARD.

>> WELL, ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS COULD BE THERE ISN'T A DEEP BENCH FOR THE DEMOCRATS, IN MY TIME HERE, I HAVE WATCHED THEM RAN CONGRESS PEOPLE LIKE TED STRICKLAND FOR GOVERNOR AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY PULLED RICH FROM BEING ATTORNEY GENERAL AND IN PART, YES, SOME OF THE HIGHLY QUALIFIED DEMOCRATS HAVE GONE TO WASHINGTON AND WORKED FOR DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS AND ALSO, IT IS A LITTLE DISCONCERTING WHEN YOU WANT TO RUN AS A YOUNG CANDIDATE AND YOU HAVE A REPUBLICAN SUPER MAJORITY LEGISLATURE IN BOTH CHAMBERS, YOU CAN REALLY MAKE YOUR MARK THEN, PEOPLE DON'T KNOW YOUR NAME AND ON IT GOES.

SO I DO THINK IT IS A MATTER OF BUILDING THAT OUT FOR THEM.

>> BUT WE GO IN CYCLES, OUTSIDE OF TED STRICKLAND IN 2006, IT HAS BEEN -- >> WHEN I WALKED IN THE DOOR AS AN INTERN MANY YEARS AGO, WE HAD A REPUBLICAN, ROBERT HOLMES.

SO YEAH, THIS IS VERY CYCLICAL.

I THINK WHAT IS HAPPENING ALSO WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY NATIONALLY AND OBVIOUSLY IN OHIO IS THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS REBRANDED, WE ARE THE WORKING CLASS PARTY.

THAT IS WHY WE ARE DOING SO WELL IN MAHONING VALLEY.

TRUMBULL COUNTY AND MAHONING COUNTY AND IT ALSO MEANS THE WORKING CLASS HISPANIC- AMERICANS, WE ARE STILL DRAWING THEM.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF OHIOANS DON'T HAVE COLLEGE DEGREES.

>> AND I DO AGREE THE FOCUS ON ECONOMICS IS ESSENTIAL IF WE ARE GOING TO START TO SEE MORE GAINS FOR DEMOCRATS IN OHIO BUT IT IS POSSIBLE, TAKE FOR EXAMPLE THE RACE THAT IS HAPPENING IN NEBRASKA, OSBORNE WHO IS RUNNING ON THE ECONOMIC POPULIST AGENDA AND PLATFORM AND HE IS GETTING A LOT OF TRACTION.

I THINK WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO COME WITH THE MESSAGE OF STRONG ECONOMICS THAT ARE GOING TO REACH THE REGIONS THAT HAVE NOT SEEN GROWTH OVER THE LAST GENERATION BUT THE IRONY OF THIS IS THAT THOSE ARE POLICIES THAT THE BIDEN-HARRIS DEMONSTRATION HAS ADVANCED, THEY KNOW THAT THE PATH TO VICTORY IS THROUGH SUBURBS AND MAYBE THAT IS THE CONCERN, BUT LONG-TERM, THAT HAS TO BE AN ONGOING FOCUS AND WE STARTED THAT DURING THIS ADMINISTRATION.

>> AND THE FACT RUNNING ONLY LASTED THREE MONTHS, AND MAYBE IF JOE BIDEN HAD DROPPED OUT EARLIER, THE MESSAGE COULD HAVE GONE OUT A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

ANYWAY, BRITNEY MARINO'S CAMPAIGN, ADS FOR MARINO FEATURE DONALD TRUMP LOOKING DIRECTLY INTO THE CAMERA CALLING SHERROD BROWN A RADICAL LIBERAL AND URGING PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR MARINO, BROWN'S ADS FOCUS ON HIS CONTROVERSIES AND ABORTION RIGHTS.

A NEW BROWN ADD TRIES TO COUNTERATTACK AS BROWN'S SUPPORT FOR TRANSGENDER RIGHTS IS EXTREME, THE AVERAGE POLLS SHOW BROWN WITH A TWO-POINT LEAD, SO THE RACE REALLY IS BASICALLY TIED.

IF YOU LOOK AT BROWN'S NUMBER AND MARINO COMPARED TO TRUMP'S NUMBER, THAT IS VASTLY DIFFERENT.

>> BUT, YOU ARE RIGHT, BERNIE SHOULD BE CLUTCHING THE COATTAILS OF DONALD TRUMP, BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY THAT SHERROD BROWN CAN WIN IS GET A LOT, I MEAN OVER 100,000 TRUMP'S VOTERS TO VOTE FOR HIM, BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO NOT WORK BECAUSE --AND YOU KNOW FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS, SHERROD BROWN HAS BEEN THE ENEMY -- OPPOSED TO DONALD TRUMP, HE VOTED NOT ONCE BUT TWICE TO CONVICT HIM, EACH TIME HE WAS IMPEACHED, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF MENTAL GYMNASTICS A TRUMP'S VOTER WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO SAY I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE I WANT HIM BACK FOR FOUR YEARS BUT I'M ALSO GOING TO VOTE FOR SHERROD BROWN.

>> WHAT YOU THINK MAKES THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS RACE, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR ON TUESDAY NIGHT TO SEE HOW IT IS GOING?

>> ULTIMATELY, I THINK IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO THE MARGIN THAT TRUMP WINS OHIO.

IF IT IS MORE THAN SIX, THEN I THINK HE HAS A SHOT, I WILL BE LOOKING AT AREAS THAT SHERROD BROWN DID BETTER IN THE 2018 ELECTION, THAT TIM RYAN WASN'T ABLE TO GET CLOSE TO REPRODUCING PLACES LIKE PORTAGE COUNTY AND THE AREA BETWEEN TOLEDO AND CLEVELAND, HIS DISTRICT INCLUDES THAT AREA, SO THAT IS THE FOCUS FOR HIM.

THAT IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT I'M GOING TO LOOK AT, SOME OF THE THINGS HE DID IN 2018, MONROE COUNTY IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT THERE IS A PATH FOR HIM, IT IS JUST VERY HARD TO GET TO.

>> THE TRUMP HAD TO ME IS FASCINATING BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN WATCHING CAREFULLY FOR THE MARINO AD WHERE HE LOOKS DIRECTLY IN THE CAMERA AND I HAVE YET TO SEE ONE, SHERROD BROWN HAS HAD A REALLY CONSISTENT STRATEGY, IT IS HIM TALKING TO THE CAMERA, OF COURSE HE WANTS TO PERSONALIZE THIS BECAUSE SHERROD BROWN HAS A BRAND HE IS SELLING AND IT IS THIS LONGEVITY AND THIS NAME I.D., VERSUS WHAT MARINO IS HOPING TO WIN AS THE NATIONAL TALKING POINTS IN THE ECONOMIC ISSUES AND IMMIGRATION ISSUES AND SO FORTH.

>> WITH THE AD OF SHERROD BROWN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS, HE TAKES SOME SNIPPETS, THEY HAVE A NEWSPERSON FACT CHECKING THEM, HE DIRECTLY COUNTERS THE ADS THAT HAVE BEEN CRITICIZING HIM.

UNUSUAL TO DO THAT, IS THAT A WISE MOVE?

>> TO HIS POINT, BERNIE MARINO HASN'T REALLY PRESENTED A REASON TO VOTE FOR HIM, IT IS A LOT OF CRITIQUE OF SHERROD BROWN, IF PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR AND KNOCKING ON DOORS, USUALLY WHAT PEOPLE BRING UP WHEN THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT THAT RACE IS A COMMERCIAL THEY HAVE SEEN.

IS THAT TRUE, I HEARD THIS ABOUT SHERROD BROWN, IS THAT THE REALITY?

SO PEOPLE CAN FACT CHECK THAT AND GET THAT MESSAGE IN ALL OF THE ADS AND ALL THE NOISE ARE SEEN, THEN THERE IS A CHANCE TO CUT DOWN ON THE EFFECTIVENESS OF HIS STRATEGY.

ISSUE ONE LAST YEAR, THE ABORTION RIGHTS, YOU WON BY 18 POINTS, VANCE WON IT BY SIX, SO THAT IF THE COUNTY I'M LOOKING AT, AND PORTAGE COUNTY IS THE SAME KIND OF MARGIN.

DO YOU THINK THERE IS A CHANCE THAT BROWN COULD WIN DELAWARE COUNTY?

>> SURE, THERE'S A CHANCE, BUT WILL HE?

NO.

YOU KNOW, WELL, IT'S POLITICS.

HE'S NOT GOING TO WIN IT, BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN IN THE EARLY VOTE IN DELAWARE COUNTY, A BIG ENTHUSIASM TO VOTE, AND I THINK WE ARE A SUBURBAN COUNTY, WE ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE DEMOCRATS FROM FRANKLIN INTO DELAWARE, SO WE ARE NOT AS REPUBLICAN AS WE WERE EVEN 10 YEARS AGO SO IT IS POSSIBLE BUT NOT THIS YEAR AND I THINK IT IS A TRUMP THING.

>> WE WILL SEE, THE OTHER IMPORTANT POINT WITH HAVE MET THESE PEOPLE BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT ARE REALLY TURNED OFF AT WHAT IS GOING ON, ESPECIALLY WOMEN, IT IS JUST TOO MUCH.

AND WHAT EXACTLY IS THAT?

I THINK IT IS A LOT OF THE RHETORIC, I ALSO THINK IT IS THE MONEY IN POLITICS, THIS VERSION OF TRUMP 3.0 IS REALLY PUTTING IN PEOPLE'S FACES, RUNNING AROUND WITH ELON MUSK THAT BILLIONAIRES ARE GOING TO BE IN CHARGE, IT IS OFF PUTTING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING REPUBLICANS.

>> WITH THE BALLOT LANGUAGE, THE SURVEY RESPONDERS SUPPORT GETTING RID OF GERRYMANDERING, BUT THE POLL SHOWS A LOT OF VOTERS DO NOT TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE AND THE BALLOT LANGUAGE AND THE CAMPAIGN TOPICS MIGHT BE CONFUSING VOTERS.

HOW BIG OF A FACTOR WILL BE THE BIGGEST FACTOR IN THIS RACE FOR ISSUE ONE, LANGUAGE ON THE BALLOT?

>> THE BIGGEST FACTOR IS GOING TO BE THE MONEY ADVANTAGE THAT THE CAMPAIGN HAS, THEY ARE GOING TO SPEND 30 $70, SO YOU CAN'T OVERLOOK SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT, THE BALLOT LANGUAGE IS IMPORTANT, AND THE QUESTION ABOUT PULLING IS WHAT DO VOTERS THINK THEY ARE GOING TO BE VOTING ON AND WHEN YOU CALL SOMEBODY ON THE PHONE AND TALK TO THEM, DO THEY REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS?

IT IS A NECESSARY TOPIC, THERE IS A LOT THERE, I KNOW THE FOLKS BELIEVE THE BALLOT LANGUAGE HURTS THE ISSUE, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT LIKE I SAID, THE MONEY IS MORE IMPORTANT.

>> DO PEOPLE HAVE THEIR MINDS MADE UP, HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A CLUE OR A SMALL CLUE WHAT THEY ARE VOTING ON WHEN THEY GET IN THERE ON ISSUE ONE?

>> WITH THE ISSUE CAMPAIGN, ANDREW WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE 37 MILLION, WE ARE GOING TO BE OUTSPENT ON THAT WHICH IS TYPICAL.

AND I ALWAYS LOOK AT THE MONEY, I LOOK AT TV, SO I'M THINKING THIS IS GOING TO PASS, BUT WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, BECAUSE I'M INVOLVED IN THAT, OVER THE LAST SIX WEEKS OR SO, THEY ARE TAKING THIS ISSUE AND TYING IT TO TRUMP AND DONALD TRUMP IS AGAINST ISSUE ONE, AND BEFORE I THOUGHT, WE ARE NOT GOING TO WIN THIS THING.

MAYBE THERE'S A CHANCE, THAT IT MIGHT NOT.

AND WHEN PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED ON ISSUES, THEY VOTE NO.

>> AND TRUMP IS ACTUALLY ON THE AIR, I THINK IT IS THE SAME ROOM HE STOOD IN TO DO THAT ADD, AND BUT YEAH, THAT WAS A PRETTY SMART MOVE ON THE NO CAMPAIGN SIDE, THE OTHER THING IS, IF YOU DON'T MEMORIZE WHETHER YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO VOTE YES OR NO, DEPENDING ON YOUR PREDILECTION AND YOU WALK IN THERE, EXTREMELY WELL INFORMED PEOPLE ARE GETTING VERY CONFUSED.

I THINK I'M SUPPOSED TO VOTE NO BECAUSE THE BALLOT LANGUAGE IS ON THE OPPOSITE OF THE AMENDMENTS.

SO, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ON THIS SHOW BEFORE, BUT WE CAN HAVE A DEBATE ABOUT WHAT DOES GERRYMANDERING REALLY MEAN AND WHETHER IT IS GOOD TO CALL THIS A PRO GERRYMANDERING MOMENT OR NOT.

BUT IN THE END OF THE DAY, IT DOES NOT SAY WHEN YOU WALK IN, THIS IS CREATING A CITIZEN COMMISSION, THAT IS GOING TO WORK IN XYZ.

>> HOW MUCH OF A GRASSROOTS ISSUE ONE RUNNING HERE, ARE THEY JUST RELYING ON THE ADS OF TV?

>> THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT CANVASSING, I THINK THE CANDIDATES I HAVE SUPPORTED ARE ALSO DISTRIBUTING LITERATURE THAT REFERENCES ISSUE ONE AND TALKING ABOUT PARTIES AND ALL OF THAT.

I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO --I HAVE CRITIQUED THINGS BEFORE BUT IN THIS CASE, IT IS GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL THAT IT IS A QUICK MESSAGE, PEOPLE ARE DOING THEIR JOB AND THEY ARE GOING TO VOTE YES ON THIS.

AND JUST GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE LEAD, CONFUSION MIGHT LEAD TO SOME VOTES GOING THE WRONG WAY UNINTENTIONALLY BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO IMPACT THE OVERALL RESULT.

>> IF THIS PASSES, IT IS MAY 16th THEY HAVE TO FORM THIS COMMISSION AND START DRAWING MAPS TWO YEARS FROM NOW.

>> YOU ARE RIGHT, THE MAPS ARE DUE IN THE FALL OF 2025, THERE WILL BE REDISTRICTING SHORTER EXPIRATION DATE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAVE THE DEMOCRATIC BY AN, IT IS JUST A MATTER OF WHEN AND HOW MUCH.

>> THE DEMOCRATS OF THE OHIO SUPREME COURT ARE RUNNING AS A TEAM.

BUT, THE DEMOCRATS ARE RUNNING AS THE MESSAGE AS THEY ARE THE ONES TO UPHOLD THE AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF LAST YEAR, DEMOCRATS HAVE SHOWN RECENT STRENGTH IN FUNDRAISING RAISING MORE MONEY THAN THEIR REPUBLICAN OPPONENTS, THE REPUBLICANS HAD THE EDGE EARLIER ON THIS YEAR.

BOTH SIDES ARE GETTING HELP FROM NATIONAL OUTSIDE GROUPS.

WILL THAT MAKE THIS RACE COMPETITIVE GIVEN THAT OHIO IS A RED STATE?

>> ALL OF THE CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO HAVE DEMOCRATS BY THEIR NAMES UNTIL FURTHER CONVERSATIONS, THAT IS A TOUGH ROAD, BUT I THINK THAT ALL OF THE CANDIDATES HAVE BEEN DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO BUILD THAT NAME I.D.

OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, THEY ARE RUNNING ADS, BUT ALSO DOING THE GRASSROOTS PLAY, HOSTING EVENTS, TRYING TO GET IN FRONT OF PEOPLE, I THINK MELANIE STEWART IN PARTICULAR IS REALLY COMPELLING AND BEING ABLE TO SPEAK TO HER EXPERIENCE, SO WILL IT BE ENOUGH?

TOUGH TO SAY, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE AND I HOPE IT IS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WE HIRE DESERVE TO HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE NO LOOKING TO BE IN THAT, AND SHE IS JUST A LAWYER DOING THE BEST SHE CAN TO INTERPRET THE LAW.

I THINK IF THEY HAD THEIR BROTHERS, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE SIGNED THEIR NAMES, BUT WE JOKE AROUND, BUT IT IS REALLY QUITE SERIOUS, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE BACKSTOP TO ENSURE THAT THE LAWS OF OHIO ARE FOLLOWED AND HAVE THIS POLITICIZED IN THIS WAY IS UNFORTUNATE BUT AGAIN, I HOPE THEY CAN PULL IT OFF AND I HOPE WE CAN GET TO THE NEXT PHASE OF OHIO POLITICS.

>> REPUBLICANS ARE RUNNING THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL ADS, THEY HAVE MORE MONEY TO SPEND, BUT OVERALL, THE REPUBLICANS HAVE HAD MORE MONEY THROUGHOUT THIS CAMPAIGN.

>> I HAVE DONE A LOT OF SUPREME COURT RACES IN OHIO AND OUTSIDE, IF I'M DOING IT IN OHIO, I'M PAIRING THEM UP BECAUSE YOU DOUBLE THE MONEY.

I THINK THE DEMOCRATS WERE BRILLIANT TO RUN ALL THREE OF THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE TRIPLING THEIR MONEY BY DOING THAT.

I WISH I WOULD HAVE DONE THAT.

HOWEVER, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE SECOND CYCLE THAT WE'VE HAD PARTY I.D.

ON THESE RACES.

I JUST THINK, IN A PRESIDENTIAL YEAR LIKE THIS, I THINK IT IS JUST SO TOUGH TO OVERCOME THAT PARTY LABEL.

YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK IT IS TOUGH.

RISK OF LOSING ALL THREE, BUT DEFINITELY DURING THE RACE, BUT THEN IT IS 6 TO 1 ON THE REPUBLICAN SUPREME COURT.

>> I REMEMBER THE CHIEF JUSTICE IS PRETTY WELL-REGARDED, SHE HAD SOME STRENGTH IN THE PAST WHEN SHE WON, IT WAS THE YEAR THAT HILLARY CLINTON LOST OHIO, I THINK THERE IS SOME EVIDENCE OF DEMOCRATS THAT LIVE THERE, IN 2022, THE CANDIDATES HAD ALMOST IDENTICAL MARGINS AND I JUST DON'T SEE VOTERS DIFFERENTIATING THEM FROM EACH OTHER, I DON'T THINK THIS IS ON TOP OF MINE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO VOTE, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE.

I HEARD VOTERS LEARNING THAT OHIO HAS A SUPREME COURT THIS YEAR, SO IT'S JUST, I WOULD BE REALLY SURPRISED IF WE SEE THEM RUN THE NUMBERS, AS THEY LOOK CANDIDATES.

>> A FEW NAMES STAND OUT HERE.

>> IT COULD HELP THE DEMOCRATS, BUT I THINK, AND OF COURSE MELANIE STEWART, AND DONNELLY, TOO.

WE HAVE THREE INCUMBENTS RUNNING FOR ONLY TWO SEATS, THAT IS CONFUSING.

BUT, I THINK THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT PARTY LABELS NOW AND WITH THE EXCEPTION, LIKE MORGAN SAID, THAT IS WHERE THEY MIGHT SPLIT BROWN'S NAME AND IN FAR EXCEEDS ANY OF THESE FOLKS, PROBABLY THEY ARE GOING TO RUN, USE THIS AS A BENEFIT TO THEM TO FIGURE OUT.

>> IS THERE EVIDENCE THAT THERE MIGHT BE PEOPLE SLAYING TICKETS, WE HAD SOME PEOPLE LAST NOVEMBER VOTING FOR CRITICAL AREAS LIKE BUTLER COUNTY, SO THOSE DEMOCRATS COULD DO BETTER THERE, MAYBE THAT IS SHOWING THE PEOPLE, YOU CAN CHECK ON THAT AFTERWARDS.

>> THE SHELFLIFE FROM ISSUE ONE LAST YEAR, IS IT EXPIRING LIKE SOME VOTERS SAY, LOOK, WE SETTLED THIS ISSUE, THE SUPREME COURT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE.

>> I DON'T THINK IT IS SETTLING, I THINK IT IS ONLY EXPANDING IN TERMS OF THE UNIVERSE OF PEOPLE IN OHIO AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY, BUT ESPECIALLY IN OHIO WHO ARE REALIZING HOW QUICKLY LIFE CAN CHANGE, HOW QUICKLY YOUR RIGHTS CAN CHANGE, AND ETIQUETTE HAS POLITICIZED THE GENERATION OF PEOPLE.

GETTING THAT GENERATION OF PEOPLE TO SHOW UP TO VOTE IS ANOTHER EXERCISE AND I DO THINK THERE IS A LOT OF ROOM TO CONTINUE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT THEME IN THE CAMPAIGN, REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS IS ON THE BALLOT IN TERMS OF MESSAGING AND EVEN IF WE WON'T NECESSARILY SEE IT GET KAMALA HARRIS A VICTORY IN OHIO, IT IS DISCUSSED AND IT DOES FEEL LIKE AN ONGOING >> LET'S GET OUR PARTING SHOT, WE WILL START WITH YOU, MORGAN.

>> INTERESTING POLICY INNOVATION IN COLUMBUS IS GIVING PEOPLE MONEY WHICH HAS BEEN A CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC BUT IT DOES APPEAR THAT THE MAYOR ANNOUNCED HE IS GOING TO BE STARTING A PROGRAM TO GIVE PEOPLE MONEY IF THEY ARE IN A JOB TRAINING PROGRAM.

THIS IS AN INTERESTING PROGRAM THAT HAS BEEN TRIED AROUND THE COUNTRY AND I WILL BE CURIOUS TO SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT.

>> IT IS $2.5 MILLION TOTAL.

>> YES, PEOPLE WHO ARE IN NEED OF ASSISTANCE, AND DOING A JOB TRAINING PROGRAM.

>> WELL, I'M GOING TO TAKE IT BACK TO POLITICAL AND DO WHAT I ALWAYS DO, WHICH IS TRY TO PREDICT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, I THINK DONALD TRUMP WILL CARRY OHIO, I THINK SHERROD BROWN HAS RUN OUT, HE HAS HAD A GOOD RUN BUT IT IS DONE, HE'S GOING TO LOSE JUST BECAUSE THE MARGIN THAT TRUMP HAS IS TOO BIG.

AND ALL REPUBLICAN JUDGES WILL WIN ON THE SUPREME COURT.

>> YOU MENTIONED THE MAILERS WITH THREE PHOTOS.

THAT REMINDED ME OF A COUPLE NEW INNOVATIONS I SAW THIS SEASON, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE CANDIDATE, BUT I REMEMBER IT WAS HOLOGRAPHIC, HE SWITCHED THE ANGLE AND YOU GOT A DIFFERENT PICTURE.

THEN I GOT A SCRATCH AND SNIFF ONE THE OTHER DAY, I DID HOLD ON FOR 10 SECONDS BEFORE I THREW IT IN THE TRASH.

>> THERE'S A COUPLE, ONE IS THE YOUTH ABOUT AND WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE WE HAVE A YOUTH GENERATION THAT HAS HAD DONALD TRUMP ON THE BALLOT THEIR ENTIRE LIFE, BUT THE OTHER THING IS THIS 2023 IMPACT, I'M CURIOUS WHETHER THAT COALITION AND THAT ENERGY OF DEFEATING ISSUE ONE LAST AUGUST, AND -- SUMMER AND APPROVING ABORTION CARRIES THROUGH AND WHAT THAT IS GOING TO DO TO BOTH ISSUE ONE AND THE CANDIDATES.

>> TUNE INTO WOSU FOR COMPLETE COVERAGE ON ELECTION NIGHT, THAT BEGINS AT 6:00 ON THE RADIO, AND UP-TO-THE-MINUTE RESULTS ON WOSU.ORG.

THAT'LL DO IT FOR THIS WEEK'S COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD, CHECK US OUT ANYTIME ON OUR WEBSITE, WOSU.ORG.

I'M MIKE THOMPSON, HAVE A GREAT WEEK.