>> A NEW YEAR, A NEW AGENDA FOR OHIO LAWMAKERS.

>> WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE01:30:24 RECORD.

01:30:25 THE START OF THE NEW YEAR01:30:26 ALWAYS BRINGS NEW RESOLUTIONS AND FOR NEW LAWMAKERS IN NEW01:30:30 POSITIONS.

01:30:31 A NEW AGENDA.

GOVERNOR DEWINE LIKELY WILL KEEP HIS RESOLUTION TO APPOINT A NEW US SENATOR FOR OHIO.

JD VANCE WILL RESIGN HIS SEAT ON OR BEFORE JANUARY 20TH WHEN HE TAKES THE OATH AND BECOMES VICE PRESIDENT.

SPECULATION AS TO WHO WILL SUCCEED HIM HAS NARROWED TO TWO NAMES LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR JON HUSTED AND FORMER GOP CHAIR01:30:53 JANE TIMKEN.

HUSTED WANTS TO BE GOVERNOR.

HE'S RAISED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO LAUNCH A CAMPAIGN BUT IT'S FAR FROM A SURE THING THAT HE COULD WIN A GOP PRIMARY IF TRUMP FAVORITE VIVEK RAMASWAMY01:31:05 RUNS.

01:31:06 WHO EVER DEWINE PICKS FOR SENATE MUST BE A TRUMP01:31:08 FAVORITE.

PERHAPS THAT'S WHY AS CLEVELAND.

COM FIRST REPORTED,01:31:13 DEWINE AND HUSTED WENT TO01:31:14 MARLAGO LAST MONTH TO MEET WITH THE PRESIDENT ELECT.

JULIE CARR SMYTH, WHAT IS THE SPECULATION AND TALK ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE?

MAYBE THE GOVERNOR HAS TOLD US IT WILL BE AFTER THE FIRST OF01:31:31 THE YEAR.

I AM HEARING THAT JD WANTS TO REMAIN IN HIS POSITION AS LONG AS HE CAN.

UNTIL THE 19th OR WHATEVER IT WOULD BE.

THE SITUATION, REALLY, WITH TRUMP GETTING INVOLVED IN THIS, HE IS RIGHT NOW AND INSIDER IN THE TRUMP WORLD AND PERHAPS WHO TRUMP WANTS.

AGAIN, THIS IS THE REPUBLICAN DIVIDE ABOUT IF DeWINE WANTS A MORE MODERATE CANDIDATE.

SO, I THINK IF HE CAN MOVE JON HUSTED OUT , THAT WOULD BE BETTER FOR TRUMP WORLD.

>> TRUMP LIKES THE GOVERNOR, THERE IS NO MYSTERY THERE.

THE REALITY IS THAT HE MIGHT01:32:32 NOT WIN.

01:32:33 BETWEEN VIVEK RAMASWAMY AND JON HUSTED, THAT IS A TOUGH ONE BECAUSE HUSTED HAS THE ESTABLISHMENT LOAD.

>> I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF PRESSURE BEING PUT ON HUSTED RIGHT NOW , I'M SURE THAT THE MEDIA AT MAR-A-LAGO, DRAW MUST'VE SAID THAT HE IS THE MOST LIKELY CANDIDATE, I WILL SUPPORT HIM AND ENDORSE HIM FOR GOVERNOR.

THE WISE MOVE WOULD BE TO TELL HUSTED, DON'T RUN FOR GOVERNOR.

WHAT IS THE CONSOLATION PRIZE?

IT IS A UNITS --U. S. SENATE01:33:08 SEA.

I'VE HEARD ALL ALONG THAT JON HUSTED WANTS TO BE GOVERNOR AND IS PREPARING TO BE GOVERNOR.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WILL DO.

I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT.

I THINK RUNNING AT01:33:21 THE SAME01:33:22 TIME WILL BE A VERY DIFFICULT UPHILL BATTLE FOR HIM.

>> THE PRESIDENT CAN BASICALLY ANOINT THE NEXT GOVERNOR01:33:29 OF01:33:30 OHIO.

01:33:31 >> NOT OFFICIALLY.

I HAVE NOT SEEN IT.

I THINK IF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS ACCURATE, HUSTED WILL TAKE THE APPOINTMENT.

RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR, HE HAS WAITED EIGHT YEARS FOR GOVERNOR DeWINE , HE WILL HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER EIGHT OF THE GOVERNOR WINFREY COMING FROM THE U. S. SENATE, THAT IS NOT BAD.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE ELECTION OF 2032, I KNOW THAT SEEMS LIKE A LONG WAY AWAY, IT REALLY ISN'T.

TO BE AN INCUMBENT U. S. SENATOR, THAT IS A PRETTY HEALTHY THING TO01:34:08 HAVE.

01:34:09 >> BACK TO THE MEETING AT MAR-A- LAGO, YOU SAID THAT DeWINE GOT ASSURANCES THAT TRUMP WOULD ENDORSE HUSTED IF YOU RAN FOR01:34:20 SENATE.

01:34:21 >> THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PART01:34:22 OF THE DEAL.

01:34:23 YEAH.

01:34:24 >> WE DO HAVE TO RECALL HOW01:34:25 JON HUSTED GOT HERE.

HE CAME IN, HE WAS VERY POPULAR, YOU COULD SAY, AS A01:34:35 STATE LAWMAKER.

01:34:36 HE BECAME THE HOUSE SPEAKER AND01:34:37 SENATOR AND THEN BECAME THE01:34:38 SECRETARY OF STATE.

01:34:39 HE WAS REALLY IN A GOOD POSITION TO BEAT DeWINE YEARS AGO IN THE FIRST ELECTION.

THEY PUT THIS TOGETHER AND DeWINE END UP BEING GOVERNOR FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS WITH THE IDEA THAT HE WOULD BE THE01:34:56 NEXT GOVERNOR.

01:34:57 IT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT01:34:58 JOB.

01:34:59 ONE IS COLUMBUS, ONE IS IN D. C. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A REALLY TOUGH DECISION FOR HIM.

>> IF YOU WERE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TRYING TO REBOUND IN TWO YEARS, WOULD YOU WANT FOR01:35:11 GOVERNOR?

VIVEK RAMASWAMY OR JON HUSTED01:35:15 ?

>> THEY WOULD NOT WANT TO RUN AGAINST JON HUSTED.

IN SOME WAYS, DONALD TRUMP WOULD BE DOING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY A FAVOR.

>> WHAT ASSURANCES DO WE HAVE THAT VIVEK RAMASWAMY WILL BE ON DONALD TRUMP'S GOOD SIDE TWO YEARS FROM NOW?

A YEAR FROM NOW?

>> IT IS OBVIOUS.

THE ANSWER IS, WE DON'T.

01:35:43 ACTUALLY NOTHING.

ONE MORE THING ABOUT HUSTED, THE VICE PRESIDENT ELECT RESIGNING, HE WILL HAVE TO RUN01:35:51 AGAIN IN TWO YEARS.

AND THEN AGAIN TWO YEARS LATER.

HE HAS GOT TO WIN TWO ELECTION01:35:58 BEFORE HOPEFULLY, FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE, THIS OPPORTUNITY .

AGAIN, THAT IS NOT EASY.

WE ARE IN A REPUBLICAN STATE01:36:07 NOW.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE WILL BE TWO YEARS OR FOUR YEARS FROM01:36:11 NOW.

POLITICS IS A GAMBLE.

>> WHAT YOU SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS WHERE I'M GOING TO GO.

PUT ALL MY CARDS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TABLE?

>> THERE IS THIS01:36:30 OPTION.

01:36:31 HE COULD TAKE THE APPOINTMENT01:36:32 NOW AND THEN NOT RUN INTO01:36:33 YEARS.

01:36:34 AND GO BACK TO RUNNING FOR01:36:35 GOVERNOR.

01:36:36 ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE ON THAT.

>> DID THEY FALL OUT OF FAVOR?

>> WHAT DOES YOST DO IN ALL OF THIS?

>> HE HAS GONE TOO FAR, HE HAS PLANNED THIS AND REGARDLESS OF WHO THE CANDIDATE IS, REGARDLESS OF WHO PRESIDENT- ELECT TRUMP, I THINK THAT JON HUSTED WILL RUN FOR GOVERNOR.

>> GOVERNOR OF CALIFORNIA, DOES HE HAVE TO GO TO JOE BIDEN, TO ASK HIS PERMISSION TO APPOINT ALEX PADILLA TO SUCCEED KAMALA HARRIS?

>> HE DID NOT HAVE TO GO TO BARACK OBAMA TO ANNOUNCE HIS.

IT IS INCREDIBLE WHAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS BECOME01:37:24 NOW.

>> EVERYONE WALKS ON EGG01:37:30 SHELLS.

01:37:31 WITH ANY HINTS OR SUGGESTIONS FROM DONALD TRUMP.

IT PUTS A LOT OF OUR ESTABLISHMENT FOR THE OHIO POLITICIANS CAREER AND THOSE WHO ARE FAMILIAR.

JON HUSTED, FRANK LAROSE, PUTS THEM IN A BINDING.

YOUNG MEN WENT IN AND CAME INTO01:37:57 POLITICS.

AND THEY DID THEIR TERM IN THE01:37:59 OLD-FASHIONED SENSE.

TAKING OFFICE AND MOVING UP.

AND THEN THEIR CAREERS WERE THROWN INTO A TIZZY BY THIS.

>> EIGHT YEARS AGO, NINE YEARS AGO, NOBODY KNEW WHO THEY WERE.

01:38:15 OUTSIDE OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.

>> TELL ME WHAT THE ECONOMY WILL CLICK INTO YEARS, IF IT LOOKS BAD, THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT MAKES THE TRUMP ENDORSEMENT LESS INFLUENTIAL.

HOW SKILLFUL HE IS WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING, IF THE ECONOMY TANKS, WE CAN HAVE A MIDTERM ELECTION.

FOR THE PARTY OUT OF PARTY01:38:40 MAKES GAINS.

01:38:41 >> SPEAKING ABOUT VIVEK01:38:42 RAMASWAMY, HE MADE NEWS OVER01:38:43 THE HOLIDAYS.

LEADING THE GOVERNMENT SPENDING CUTTING EFFORT.

FIRST ANGERED SOME TRUMP SUPPORTERS BY SAYING AMERICA NEEDS IMMIGRANTS TO FILL TECH AND ENGINEERING JOBS.

HE WROTE ON X, THE TRUTH IS, OUR AMERICAN CULTURE HAS VENERATED MEDIOCRITY OVER01:39:07 EXCELLENCE FORWAY TOO LONG.

01:39:08 HE CONTINUED, WRITING THAT A01:39:09 CULTURE THAT CELEBRATES THE01:39:10 PROM QUEEN OVER THE MATH01:39:11 OLYMIAD CHAMP OR THE JOCK OVER01:39:12 THE VALEDICTORIAN WILL NOT01:39:13 PRODUCE THE BEST ENGINEERS.

HE WENT ON FROM THERE.

SAYING KIDS SHOULD STOP WATCHING SATURDAY MORNING CARTOONS AND HANGING OUT AT THE MALL.

HER, I DON'T THINK KIDS ARE WATCHING TV ON01:39:32 SATURDAY01:39:33 MORNING.

01:39:34 IS VIVEK RAMASWAMY RIGHT?

HAVE WE DOWNPLAYED01:39:36 THE01:39:37 IMPORTANCE OF SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, ENGINEERING AND MATH?

>> HE IS TONE DEAF AND HOW HE SAID THAT.

THERE IS A NEED TO STRIKE THE01:39:49 BALANCE.

IF YOU LOOK AT HIGHER EDUCATION, IF YOU LOOK AT CONGRESS.

HE IS OUT OF TOUCH THERE.

THE WAY THAT HE BASICALLY DESCRIBES THE AMERICAN POPULATION, HE DID NOT CALL US01:40:05 DEPLORABLE.

IT IS REALLY KIND OF INSULTING.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A SMART THING TO SAY IT THAT WAY.

I THINK HE HAS TO SAY SELLING TO THE EFFECT, WE VALUE ALL OF THESE THINGS.

WE SHOULD VALUE PEOPLE WHO GO INTO THE CRAFTS.

01:40:20 ELECTRICIANS AND PLUMBERS.

IT WAS A VERY ELITIST STATEMENT YOU MIGHT EXPECT FROM HIM.

HE CAN SAY THAT.

MIKE.

VIVEK RAMASWAMY CANNOT SAY THAT01:40:35 WITHOUT GETTING CRITICAL BLOWBACK.

>> HE WILL GET SOME BLOWBACK TOO.

I DISAGREE WITH01:40:42 HERB.

01:40:43 I DID NOT THINK IT WAS ELITIST, IT WAS FACTUAL.

THE ESSENCE OF IT IS TRUE.

I LOOK AT THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND I BELIEVE THE NUMBERS WERE, COMPARED TO 20 YEARS AGO OR SO, 116,000 STUDENTS AND COLUMBUS WE KNOW,01:41:06 IS GROWING.

01:41:07 WHY?

NOBODY WANTS TO SEND THEIR KIDS TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS IF THEY CAN AVOID APPEARED EVERY TEST THAT I SEE OVER THE YEARS, READING THE NEWSPAPER YEAR AFTER YEAR, RATES FALL ABOUT WHO CAN READ AT A FOURTH OR FIFTH GRADE LEVEL.

WE JUST FIGURE OUT WAYS, WE WILL PASS EVERYBODY ANYWAYS REALLY GET INTO CONGRESS TO01:41:30 SOME DEGREE.

SOMETHING I READ A YEAR OR A MONTH AGO OR SO,01:41:35 DON'T HOLD ME01:41:36 TO THESE EXACT NUMBERS.

AT ALL OF THE UNIVERSITIES IN THE COUNTRY, 80% OR 80% OF THE GRADE THAT THEY ISSUE ARE A's.

SOMETHING HAS CHANGED, IT HAS HURT THE COUNTRY AS A WHOLE.

I BASICALLY AGREE WITH WHAT HE01:41:54 SAID.

LOOK AT THE TELEVISION WE GET.

TO ME, IT IS GEARED FOR PEOPLE WITH A SIXTH OR SEVENTH GRADE EDUCATION AND THAT IS WHAT WE01:42:07 HAVE.

>> HOW DOES THIS PLAY IN OHIO SHOULD RAMASWAMY RUN FOR GOVERNOR?

WITH TECH COMPANIES LIKE INTEL AND NATIONWIDE INSURANCE I NEED PEOPLE IN THE I. T. 01:42:22 DEPARTMENT?

>> THE CONTEXT OF WHAT HE IS MAKING FORWARD THESE VISAS IS INTERESTING GIVEN THAT A LOT OF OHIO VOTERS CHOSE HIM BECAUSE OF HIS STANCE ON BORDER01:42:36 SECURITY AND ALLOWING IMMIGRANTS INTO THE COUNTRY.

THAT IS A DIFFICULT NEEDLE TO THREAD FOR THE AVERAGE AMERICAN01:42:44 VOTER.

WE ARE FOR CLOSING THE BORDER, WE ARE ALSO FOR BRINGING THESE IMMIGRANTS IN BECAUSE THEY ARE SMARTER THAN YOU WHICH IS HOW01:42:56 IT CAME OFF.

>> ILLEGAL VERSUS LEGAL, PEOPLE WANTING TO LIVE HERE.

>> GOING BACK DECADES, IN HIGHER EDUCATION, ESPECIALLY IN01:43:08 SCIENCES AND ENGINEERING, HIGHER EDUCATION HAS ALWAYS DEPENDED ON INTERNATIONAL GRADUATE STUDENTS FROM THE EAST, FROM EUROPE, THIS IS NOT SO MUCH A NEW THING.

WHAT HE IS SAYING HERE, WE DO HAVE A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL01:43:26 PEOPLE.

WHEN WE GRADUATE MORE ENGINEERS IN THE UNITED STATES OR OHIO, THOSE UNDERGRADUATE ENGINEERS WITH THEIR DEGREE, THEY DO NOT GO ON TO GRADUATE SCHOOL.

01:43:39 WHY?

THEY CAN GET A FANTASTIC JOB01:43:44 RIGHT AWAY.

01:43:45 WHY GO ON TO THE MASTERS AND01:43:46 PHD?

01:43:47 IF YOU DO THE RESEARCH I NEEDS01:43:48 TO BE DONE, YOU NEED ADVANCED01:43:49 TRAINING.

I DO NOT AGREE, THE SITUATION HAS ALWAYS BEEN HERE.

WE ALWAYS HAVE TO RELY ON INTERNATIONAL VISITORS, STUDENTS, IMMIGRANTS, WHATEVER, TO HELP.

I THINK HE IS RIGHT ABOUT THAT.

THE WHOLE THING IS SAID SO CLUMSILY.

IT IS A CONTRADICTION TO WHAT THE PRESIDENT-ELECT HAS BEEN01:44:09 SAYING.

THE WAY THAT HE TALKED ABOUT THE REST OF US, I STILL THINK IT'S INSULTING.

> >> NOW ONTO THE01:44:18 NEXT01:44:19 TOPIC,OHIO LAWMAKERS START OVER01:44:20 ON MONDAY WITH A NEW SESSION.

01:44:21 GOVERNOR DEWINE THIS WEEK01:44:22 SIGNED THE LAST REMAINING LAME01:44:23 DUCK LAWS.

01:44:24 INCLUDING ONE THAT ALLOWS01:44:25 POLICE DEPARTMENTS TO CHARGE01:44:26 $750 FOR POLICE BODY CAM VIDEO.

01:44:27 COMING UP IN THE NEXT SESSION.

01:44:28 LAWMAKERS MUST REDRAW01:44:29 CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS.

01:44:30 THEY ARE EXPECTED TO RESUME01:44:31 WORK ON A BILL THAT WOULD BAN DIVERSITY TRAINING ON PUBLIC COLLEGE CAMPUSES AND MANDATE CHANGES TO COLLEGE CURRICULUM IN AN EFFORT TO GIVE CONSERVATIVES MORE A VOICE.

AND WITH THE TURN OF THE 2025 CALENDAR, CANDIDATES ARE ALREADY ANNOUNCING PLANS TO RUN IN THE 2026 CYCLE, WHICH WILL FEATURE LOTS OF OPEN SEATS, INCLUDING THE GOVERNOR'S.

JULIE CARR SMYTH TO01:45:00 PUT A BOW ON THE LAME-DUCK, ANY SURPRISES FROM GOVERNOR DeWINE01:45:05 ?

>> SO FAR , NO, HE HAS A HUGE PILE OF BILLS ON HIS DESK.

AND WAS EXPECTED TO POTENTIALLY NOT SUPPORT ONE OF THE BILLS THAT HAS NOT YET TODAY COME THROUGH WITH PARENTAL RIGHTS,01:45:29 YEAH.

SO, I SUSPECT HE WILL PROBABLY SIGN THAT.

HE WAS NOT PLANNING ON SIGNING THE OTHER ONE ON MEDICAL FREEDOM BECAUSE HE SAID THAT WILL01:45:42 INHIBIT REGULATION.

01:45:43 I THINK HE HAS SIGNALED PRETTY WELL WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO.

>> HE DOESN'T WANT THAT FIGHT.

>> I THINK HE WILL BE IN A BETTER POSITION WITH THE NEXT01:45:56 LEGISLATURE.

01:45:57 THE LAST COUPLE OF STANDOFFS THAT HE HAS HAD WITH THEM, SENATE PRESIDENT WAS ON01:46:02 HIS01:46:03 SIDE, OR HE WAS ON MATT HELM01:46:04 INSIDE.

AND WENT FOR HOUSE SPEAKER01:46:07 THAT KIND OF LAUGHED AT THAT.

NOW HE IS THE HOUSE SPEAKER AND THE NEW SENATE PRESIDENT WILL BE A MORE AMENABLE FOR 2023.

>> THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH01:46:25 REDISTRICTING.

I THINK THEY WANT TO DEAL WITH MARIJUANA LAWS AS WELL.

THEY WANTED TO GET SOME TWEAKING DOWN THERE IN TERMS01:46:34 OF REGULATION AND01:46:37 POTENCY.

>> THIS ISSUE NEVER GOES AWAY.

IT HAS TO BE THIS YEAR BECAUSE THE LAST CONGRESSIONAL MAP, THE CONGRESSIONAL MAP ONLY GOT REPUBLICAN SORT OF SUPPORT AND ASKED TO BE REDRAWN IN FOUR01:46:54 YEARS.

01:46:55 HERE WE ARE.

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THE MAP TO01:46:57 LOOK LIKE?

01:46:58 >> WILL NOT LOOK MUCH DIFFERENT FROM THE CURRENT MAP.

WILL THERE BE ANY SERIOUS ATTEMPTS TO CHANGE THE METHOD IN WHICH THE DISTRICTS ARE DRAWN?

THE GOVERNOR THROUGHOUT LAST YEAR THE IDEA OF THE IOWA COMMISSION AND THAT MIGHT BE A01:47:17 POSSIBILITY.

01:47:18 I THINK THAT THE HOUSE SPEAKER01:47:19 WOULD SAY, OKAY.

THE IOWA COMMISSION MIGHT BE OKAY IF WE ALLOW THE LEGISLATURE TO OVERRIDE WHATEVER THE COMMISSIONER COMES01:47:28 UP WITH.

01:47:29 THAT IS A MEANINGLESS REFORM.

01:47:30 I STILL WOULD GO FORWARD THIS YEAR WITH THE CURRENT SYSTEM AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING.

REPUBLICANS WILL STILL TRY TO CHANGE A FEW DISTRICTS, MAYBE PLAN TO GET AMELIA SYKES.

IT HAS BEEN AMAZING, IN FACT, THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ACTUALLY HELD THEIR OWN.

>> DEMOCRATS HAVE FIVE SEATS, DEMOCRATS OF 10.

THEY TEND TO BE MORE01:47:59 COMPETITIVE.

01:48:00 LESS SAFE.

01:48:01 GIVEN WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE01:48:02 REDISTRICTING AMENDMENT, HE01:48:03 LOST BADLY.

THERE IS NO INCENTIVE FOR REPUBLICANS TO CHANGE THE01:48:08 SYSTEM.

01:48:09 THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER SYSTEM DOWN THE ROAD.

IF IT IS TOO MUCH, I MIGHT ADD FUEL TO THE FIRE.

>> LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER, IT IS NEVER GOING TO GO AWAY.

I NOTICED THE THING THAT HERB SAID ABOUT IOWA.

THAT REPUBLICANS WANT TO ADD01:48:29 SOMETHING.

I WILL VOTERS ARE VERY LIBERAL01:48:37 PEOPLE.

01:48:38 THEY WANT THE UPPER HAND, THE01:48:39 SAME AS THE REPUBLICANS WANT THE UPPER HAND.

THIS IS NOT AN IDEA WHERE EVERYONE WANTS TO BE FAIR.

NO ONE WANTS TO BE FAIR.

REPUBLICANS WANT THE ADVANTAGE.

DEMOCRATS WANT THE ADVANTAGE.

THEY CAN SAY, THE POWER OF THEMSELVES AND NOT FOR THE PEOPLE.

THEY JUST VOTED TO TAKE IT AWAY FROM CIVILIAN HANDS AND GIVE IT TO THE LEGISLATURE.

IT WILL NOT GO AWAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

THE DIVISIVENESS WE HAVE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, STILL HERE, NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE IT.

>> ANY KIND OF FAIR DISTRICTING REFORM WOULD RESULT IN THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITIES AND THE CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION AND THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

01:49:29 WHY?

THERE ARE MORE01:49:32 REPUBLICANS AND01:49:33 THE WAY THE REPUBLICAN VOTE IS DISTRIBUTED IN THE STATE, IT IS MORE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR01:49:38 REPUBLICANS.

THEY ARE CONCENTRATED01:49:41 IN SMALL01:49:42 GEOGRAPHICAL AREAS.

ANYTIME THERE IS REFORM, WHICH SHOULD RESULT IN THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY, IT IS THE SIZE OF THE01:49:53 MAJORITY.

01:49:54 WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ARE01:49:55 SUPER MAJORITIES.

I'M NOT SURE THAT'S WHAT YOU01:50:01 WANT.

01:50:02 YOU MIGHT NOT BE HAPPY WITH01:50:03 REPUBLICAN MAJORITIES THAT ARE01:50:04 NOT SUPER MAJORITIES.

> >> THE FINAL TOPIC, IN 197601:50:09 JIMMY CARTER NARROWLY WON THE WHITE HOUSE OVER PRESIDENT01:50:11 GERALD FORD.

CARTER WON OHIO BUT BY JUST01:50:14 11-01:50:15 THOUSAND VOTES OR ABOUT A01:50:16 QUARTER OF A PERCENTAGE POINT01:50:17 AND TO ILLUSTRATE HOW TIMES01:50:18 HAVE CHANGED.

01:50:19 OHIO HAD 25 ELECTORAL VOTES01:50:20 THEN.

01:50:21 IT NOW HAS 17 AND FORD TROUNCED01:50:22 CARTER IN FRANKLIN COUNTY BY 1401:50:24 PERCENTAGE POINTS.

IT WAS MUCH DIFFERENT FOUR YEARS LATER WHEN REAGAN WON OHIO AND THE PRESIDENCY EASILY.

OF COURSE WE REMEMBER JIMMY CARTER THIS WEEK BECAUSE THE FORMER PRESIDENT DIED SUNDAY AT THE AGE OF 100 WHILE HE STRUGGLED AS PRESIDENT, HE01:50:41 EXCELLED IN HIS PURSUITS AFTER HE LEFT THE WHITE HOUSE.

HOW DO YOU REMEMBER JIMMY01:50:52 CARTER?

01:50:53 >> AS A VERY HONEST, DECENT,01:50:54 AND MORAL PERSON.

HIS PRESIDENTIAL RECORD HAD TREMENDOUS SUCCESSES AND HE WAS01:51:02 DEFEATED BECAUSE THE ECONOMY01:51:03 WAS IN SHAMBLES, GASOLINE PRICES HAD SOARED.

MORTGAGE RATES WERE HIGH,01:51:07 INFLATION WAS HIGH.

01:51:08 IF YOU TALK ABOUT HIS MAJOR01:51:09 ACCOMPLISHMENTS, THE ACCORD BETWEEN ISRAEL AND EGYPT, IMAGINE THE MIDDLE EAST TODAY AND ALL THE INSTABILITY TODAY.

AND THE PANAMA CANAL, THAT WAS A VERY CONTROVERSIAL THING.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS HE WAS ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE01:51:28 SENATE.

01:51:29 IT TURNED OUT THAT PEOPLE01:51:30 ARGUED AGAINST HIM.

WHAT IF SOME POOR FOREIGN POWER GETS CONTROL OF THE CANAL?

I WAS NOT APPROVED, THERE WOULD'VE BEEN PROTESTS ALL AROUND CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA SAYING THAT COLONIAL POWER WAS STILL THERE.

>> YOU WORKED IN HIS OFFICE IN 1980 AS PROSECUTOR AT THE END OF HIS REIGN.

DARK BLUE FRANKLIN COUNTY, THAT SHOWS YOU HOW TIMES HAVE01:52:02 CHANGED.

>> I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HERB01:52:05 SAID.

HE WAS A WONDERFUL MAN THAT WAS PROVEN NOW WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT, NOT THAT HE WAS A01:52:13 BAD PERSON.

WHAT HE HAD DONE AFTERWARDS.

THESE ARE01:52:18 NOT CANDID APPEARANCES WITH THE MEDIA HERE.

HE DID A YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER01:52:26 YEAR.

HE WAS A GENUINELY FINE MAN.

ONE THING THAT HERB DID MENTION, SOMETHING HE HAD NO CONTROL OVER WAS THE HOSTAGES IN IRAN.

THEY DID TRY, WHICH TOOK GUTS01:52:44 TO DO IT.

IT DID NOT WORK OUT VERY WELL.

HE GOT BLAMED FOR THAT.

WHICH IS PROBABLY UNFAIR TOO.

HE HAD A LOT OF THINGS HE JUST COULDN'T CONTROL.

REAGAN WAS REAGAN AND PEOPLE LIKE HIM.

I LIKE CARTER AND WHAT HE DID AFTERWARDS.

HE WAS AN EXEMPLARY HUMAN BEING.

>> SAID THAT I WILL NEVER TELL01:53:05 A LIE.

HE DID TELL THE TRUTH.

01:53:07 IT HURT HIM.

HE WOULD TELL THE HONEST TRUTH.

TO THINK THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED TO JIMMY CARTER THAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH?

>> I DON'T KNOW, GOD REST HIS01:53:20 SOUL.

I THINK IT USHERED IN THIS ERA OF POLITICS WHERE PEOPLE LOOK AT THE POLLS AND TALK TO01:53:32 PROFESSIONALS.

01:53:33 THEY ARE BUILDING NEW CAREERS01:53:34 INSTEAD OF LEGISLATING.

I THINK SOME OF THAT IS WATCHING FROM OTHER PREDECESSORS TRIAL AND ERROR.

I REMEMBER BEING YOUNGER WHEN CARTER WAS PRESIDENT AND FLIPPING OFF THE LIGHT SWITCH BECAUSE OF JIMMY CARTER.

HE SAID TO SAVE ENERGY.

IT WAS LITTLE STUFF THAT YOU TRY TO GET PEOPLE THINK ABOUT.

AND BE AWARE OF.

>> HE CHANGE THE PROCESS BY WHICH PEOPLE RAN FOR PRESIDENT.

HE WENT TO IOWA, AND THEN TO NEW HAMPSHIRE, THAT HAS BEEN COPIED BY SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE.

>> ALL RIGHT.

TIME FOR THE FINAL ON THE RECORD PARTING SHOTS.

>> HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN COLUMBUS OVER THE LAST THREE OR FOUR WEEKS.

UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE AND UNIVERSITY OF OREGON HAVE COMPLETELY FLIPPED THE WAY THAT PEOPLE FEEL .

IT HAS BEEN GREAT, I HOPE THEY CONTINUE TO WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP ON JANUARY 20th.

>> A FRIEND OF MINE CALLED ME FROM CALIFORNIA SAYING01:54:57 THAT HE'S CAUGHT UP WITH HIGH TAXES AND REGULATIONS AND IS THINKING01:55:03 ABOUT MOVING.

01:55:04 WHAT ABOUT OHIO?

01:55:05 AND HE SAID, OHIO?

THAT IS CALLED MISSISSIPPI.

I SAID WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

CULTURALLY, YOU ARE FIGHTING ALL THESE BATTLES THAT ARE NOT01:55:20 CENTRAL TO GOVERNING.

YES, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS GOING ON.

>> I WILL SAY, I HAVE A VERY STRONG FEELING THAT WE WILL SEE THE GOVERNOR COME OUT AGAINST THE DEATH PENALTY.

VERY SOON.

HE GAVE US SOME OF THAT THE YEAR-END BREAKFAST.

NOT EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS ON HIS WATCH.

KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR01:55:48 THAT.

>> THAT IS THE QUESTION I GET.

MY FINAL THOUGHT, THIS WEEK MARKS THE 19th ANNIVERSARY OF THE SHOW.

THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WITH US01:56:01 FOR 19 YEARS.

BOTH OF YOU AND THOSE WERE01:56:03 WATCHING.

01:56:04 THANKS TO THESE FOLKS AND THE THANKS TO YOU01:56:07 FOR01:56:08 WATCHING.

THAT'S COLUMBUS ON THE01:56:09 RECORD FOR THIS WEEK.

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