VOTING BEGINS, BUT WHERE WILL IT END?

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A LITTLE BETTER THAN HE HAS DONE IN BOTH HE WAS AROUND EIGHT POINTS IN 2016 AND 2020.

DARREL, YOU ARE CORRECT.

I HAVE THIS THEORY -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SENATE RACE NOW OR LATER.

>> LET'S FOCUS -- >> THE PRESIDENTIAL, IF ANYTHING HE'S STRONGER HERE IN OHIO.

I DON'T THINK KAMALA HARRIS IS AS STRONG OF A CANDIDATE AS EITHER HILLARY CLINTON OR JOE BIDEN WAS BACK IN 2020.

SO I THINK THE PRESIDENT'S GOING TO DO A LITTLE BETTER THAN HE HAS IN THE PAST.

>> NOW LOOKING AT 2020, JOE BIDEN DIDN'T EVEN STEP FOOT IN OHIO, DIDN'T ADVERTISE HERE.

SO IT WAS SURPRISING THAT HE WAS TIED LATE IN THOSE POLLS.

KAMALA HARRIS IS RUNNING ADS IN OHIO.

THEY COULD BE NATIONALIZED, POPPING UP ON TV.

SHE'S RUNNING SOME ADS HERE.

WILL IT BE MORE COMPETITIVE THAN THE PAST COUPLE CYCLES?

>> I THINK IT'S REALLY HARD TO SAY.

THIS HAS BEEN OBVIOUSLY AN UNPRECEDENTED ELECTION.

THE OTHER KEY POINT ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS IS I DON'T THINK SHE WAS THAT WELL-KNOWN TO A LOT OF VOTERS IN OHIO.

BUT THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY, AS WELL, ESPECIALLY AS YOU WERE REFERENCING IN THIS MONTH-LONG BLITZ THAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT TO EXPERIENCE.

SHE'S GOING ON A LOT OF UNTRADITIONAL MEDIA PLATFORMS, THE PODCASTS THAT A LOT OF YOUNG WOMEN WATCH.

GOING TO TARGET A LOT OF BLACK VOTERS.

SO AS THEY GET EXPOSED TO HER, IF THAT HAS A POSITIVE IMPACT I THINK THERE'S AN UNKNOWN UPSIDE TO THAT AND THE POTENTIAL IS THERE FOR A BETTER PERFORMANCE.

>> THIS IS DONALD TRUMP'S THIRD BID FOR THE PRESIDENCY.

FATIGUE HAS TO SET IN AT SOME POINT.

I MEAN, AL GORE FACED WHEN HE RAN AFTER FOUR YEARS OF BILL CLINTON.

BUSH AFTER FOUR YEARS OF REAGAN.

FIRST BUSH, THEN HIM RUNNING.

VOTERS AT SOME POINT WANT CHANGE, RIGHT?

COULD THAT BE A FACTOR?

DOES TRUMP PUSH FATIGUE ASIDE?

>> TRUMP IS DIFFERENT IN A LOT OF WAYS.

I'LL JUST SAY THAT.

HE'S A VERY UNIQUE CANDIDATE.

WE'VE PROBABLY NEVER HAD ONE AS UNIQUE IN OUR LIFETIME.

BUT HE REPRESENTS SOMETHING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

IT'S -- TRUMP IS NOT ONLY A CANDIDATE, BUT HE'S ALSO AN IDEA TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO RETURN TO WHAT THEY SEE AS CHRISTIAN VALUES OR MORAL NATION OR WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO CODE THAT, THE TALK IS THESE DAYS.

THEY SEE TRUMP AS THE PERSON WHO CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

AND SO IT'S BIGGER THAN TRUMP HIMSELF.

>> I WAS INTRIGUED IN "THE WASHINGTON POST" POLL.

THEY ALSO ASK ABOUT SPRINGFIELD.

IT'S KIND OF A WHO DO YOU BELIEVE ON THIS?

YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP WHO TALKS ABOUT EATING THE NEIGHBOR'S PETS AND ALL THAT, OR MIKE DeWINE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE FOR THAT.

ONLY 24% ARE BELIEVING DONALD TRUMP, AND DeWINE HAS A DECENT MAJORITY THAT BELIEVE HIM, THAT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.

AND THAT HAITIANS CAN BE PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS.

I MEAN, THEY SORT OF GROUP THREE DIFFERENT TOPICS IN ONE QUESTION.

IT WAS UNWIELDY TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE WERE RESPONDING TO.

TRUMP DOES NOT HAVE THE CREDIBILITY ON THAT ONE ISSUE.

IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT A STATEWIDE RACE?

HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

>> WHAT GIVES -- WHAT CAN DEMOCRATS HANG THEIR HAT ON?

WHAT WOULD GIVE DEMOCRATS HOPE THAT THE MARGIN WILL BE SMALLER THAN IT WAS THE PAST TWO CYCLES HERE IN OHIO?

>> I THINK A KEY THING HERE -- ON MY WAY OVER I WAS LISTENING TO COMMENTARY ON THE RACE, AND THEY WERE SAYING IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT KAMALA HARRIS TARGETS THE CENTER.

THE MYTHICAL CENTER, WHEREVER THAT IS.

BUT YOU KNOW, GETTING TO WHAT MAKES TRUMP SOMEWHAT APPEALING, I THINK PART OF IT IS SOME IDEAS HE THROWS OUT LIKE WE'RE JUST GOING TO CAP HOW MUCH YOU CAN BE CHARGED ON YOUR CREDIT CARD.

WHEN THOSE TYPES OF FEES.

THOSE ARE NOT CENTER IDEAS AS THEY ARE TRADITIONALLY THOUGHT OF.

THOSE ARE IDEAS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE POPULOUS DIRECTION, IDEAS THAT SPEAK TO A WIDE RANGING OF THE MIDDLE CLASS.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT KAMALA HARRIS SHOULD SHY AWAY FROM THE THINGS THEY'VE DONE IN THIS ADMINISTRATION THAT ARE EXACTLY ON THAT TRACK.

AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT MESSAGING IS LETTING NOT ONLY THE VOTERS OF OHIO THAT TEND TO CARE A LOT ABOUT THAT CLEARLY BUT A LOT OF SWING STATES KNOW THEY ARE ON THE SIDE OF TAKING ON SOME OF THE CONCENTRATED ECONOMIC POWER, I THINK COULD HAVE REALLY IMPORTANT GAINS.

>> SO WHAT DO YOU SEE, BOB, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE AUTO INTEREST TAX DEDUCTIBLE?

AUTO LOAN INTEREST TAX DEDUCTIBLE?

THINGS LIKE CAPPING CREDIT CARD -- THOSE ARE POPULIST THINGS.

IS HE AGAINST THE WORLD TRYING TO SEAL THE DEAL?

>> NO, BECAUSE THIS GOES BACK TO THE QUESTION YOU JUST ASKED WITH JO LIKE HOW CAN A GUY THAT'S RUNNING FOR THE THIRD TIME FOR THE PRESIDENCY BE THE CHANGE CANDIDATE?

BECAUSE OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT IDEAS HE'S THROWING OUT THERE.

AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK HE UNDERSTANDS ABOUT THIS RACE.

PEOPLE WANT CHANGE.

HE'S THROWING THESE IDEAS OUT TO CREATE THAT CHANGE OR TO SHOW CHANGE.

KAMALA HARRIS, I MEAN, JUST THIS WEEK WITH HER VARIOUS MEDIA INTERVIEWS, THEY'RE ASKING HER WHAT -- HOW ARE YOU GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THAN JOE BIDEN.

AND SHE'S JUST NOT ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

NOW THAT'S AMAZING BECAUSE YOU WOULD THINK THAT HER PEOPLE WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, TALKED ABOUT IT, PREPPED HER FOR IT.

PEOPLE WANT CHANGE, AND YOU AS THE CANDIDATE HAVE TO EXPLAIN HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT.

>> YEAH.

"THE NEW YORK TIMES" POLL LAST WEEK SAID THAT SHE NOW IS ACCORDING TO THEIR SURVEY THE CHANGE CANDIDATE.

SHE'S ONLY BEEN RUNNING FOR TWO MONTHS, MAYBE THAT -- THAT COULD BE THE PROBLEM WITH HER ANYWAY, WE'LL SEE HOW THIS TURNS OUT.

SENATOR J.D.

VANCE CONTINUES TO CAMPAIGN HARD FOR FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IN BATTLEGROUND STATES.

HE CONTINUES TO MAKE APPEARANCES ON SUNDAY MORNING TALK SHOWS.

HE HAS TWO SCHEDULED FOR THIS WEEKEND.

"POLITICO" HAD A STORY THIS WEEK SAYING VANCE HAS BEEN, QUOTE, CONSPICUOUSLY ABSENT FROM OHIO CAMPAIGNS SINCE HIS NOMINATION FOR VICE PRESIDENT.

HIS IMAGE IS NOT ON ADS OR ON TV SPOTS FOR REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATES OR SENATE CANDIDATE BERNIE MORENO.

AT LEAST ONE REPUBLICAN LEADER EXPRESSED HOPE THAT VANCE WOULD HELP CANDIDATES LIKE THE REPUBLICAN TRYING TO UNSEAT LONGTIME DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN MARCY KAPTUR IN THE TOLEDO AREA.

A RECENT POLL HAS KAPTUR UP BY TEN POINTS.

BOB CLEGG OBVIOUSLY J.D.

VANCE IS FOCUSED NATIONALLY, VISITING PENNSYLVANIA, MICHIGAN, ARIZONA.

BUT SHOULD HE BE HELPING LOCAL REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES?

DO THEY WANT HIS HELP?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF HE CAN HELP BECAUSE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, LOOK WHO HIS RUNNING MATE IS.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AGAIN.

HE JUST SUCKS ALL THE OXYGEN OUT OF THE ROOM.

I MEAN, THESE CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH DONALD TRUMP, OKAY.

IT'S NOT -- J.D.

VANCE, SURE HE'S FROM OHIO, HE'S OUR U.S.

SENATOR, GREAT GUY.

LOVE HIM.

BUT HE'S RUNNING FOR VICE PRESIDENT, DOESN'T HAVE THE JUICE THAT, YOU KNOW, BEING ENDORSED BY DONALD TRUMP HAS.

AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE BERNIE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ALL THOSE CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATES.

IT'S ALL GOING TO BE ABOUT TRUMP BECAUSE TRUMP IS THE ONE THAT EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, IT APPEALS TO.

SO -- >> AND HE'S ONLY BEEN IN OFFICE NOT EVEN TWO YEARS, J.D.

VANCE.

HE'S STILL A NEWCOMER FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.

>> RIGHT.

AND OBVIOUSLY THIS WAS HIS FIRST ELECTIVE OFFICE, THE SENATE.

ASIDE FROM BEING A FAMOUS AUTHOR, PROBABLY PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT HIM.

PERHAPS EVEN FORGOTTEN HILLBILLY -- >> MARCY KAPTUR, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT POLL THAT SHE'S UP BY TEN?

HER DISTRICT IS MORE RED THAN IT USED TO BE, THAT'S THE BIG FACTOR.

AND SHE IS A CANDIDATE THAT HASN'T BURNED TRUMP'S NAME ON HIS FRONT LAWN.

>> YEAH.

I MEAN, I THINK WE DO HAVE SOME FIGURES IN OUR PARTY IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT HAVE A REPUTATION THAT PROCEEDS THE TRUMP ERA THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM.

MARCY KAPTUR FITS IN THAT.

GETTING BACK TO J.D.

VANCE, ALSO WE'VE SEEN SHE WAS ABLE TO KIND OF MAKE A MOCKERY OF HIM IN THAT STRIKE SCENE WHERE SHE WAS LIKE FIRST TIME, J.D.?

HE'S LIKE, YEAH, FIRST TIME, MARCY.

J.D.

VANCE IS NOT A GUY OF THE GRASSROOTS, NOT A GUY OF THE WORKING CLOG.

HE IS FIRMLY ENSCONCED IN THE ELITE OF THE GLOBAL ELITE AND THAT'S IS WHERE HE'S MOST COMFORTABLE.

NO SURPRISE HE'D BE DOING CABLE NEWS, INTERVIEWS ON THE WEEKENDS AND STAYING AS FAR AWAY FOR OHIO AS POSSIBLE AS HE TRIES TO MAKE HIS WAY TO THE WHITE HOUSE.

>> THE TICKET SPLITTERS IS WHAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE HOPING FOR BECAUSE TRUMP IS HEAVY FAVORITE TO WIN THE TON OF THE TICKET IN OHIO, BUT MARCY KAPTUR, SHERROD BROWN, NEED TO PEEL OFF SOME TRUMP VOTERS.

>> AND THERE HAVE BEEN TICKET SPLITTERS IN THE PAST.

IF YOU LOOK THE SENATOR BROWN WHEN HE'S RUN, THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE WHO HAVE THREAT TO GO OVER THERE.

-- SPLIT TO GO OVER THERE.

REMEMBER THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING THE WORKING CLASS, THE UNIONS, THE PEOPLE WHO WORK ON ASSEMBLY LINES, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, A LOT OF THEM SEE SHERROD BROWN AS A GUY WHO STOOD WITH THEM, WHO HAS HELPED THEM THROUGH EVERYTHING.

SAME WITH MARCY KAPTUR, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HER ON THE PICKET LINES WITH THEM, HELPING OUT.

AND SO THAT MAKES THEM MORE -- THEY MIGHT VOTE FOR TRUMP AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET.

BUT THAT MAKES IT MORE LIKELY WHEN THEY GO DOWN THAT TICKET TO GO OVER AND VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS.

>> THAT BOWLING GREEN POLL FROM LAST WEEK, BOB, SAID ONLY 2% OF REPUBLICANS WOULD VOTE FOR KAMALA HARRIS.

BUT 8% OF REPUBLICANS WOULD VOTE FOR SHERROD BROWN.

SO THAT'S WHAT SHERROD BROWN IS -- >> YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO BE HIS BIG PROBLEM.

SHERROD HAS NEVER RUN STATEWIDE WHEN A REPUBLICAN WINS THE STATE BY A BEING MARGIN.

>> YEAH.

>> THE BIGGEST MARGIN WAS GEORGE VOINOVICH IN '90 WHEN HE WON THE GOVERNOR'S RACE BY FIVE POINTS.

AND THAT WAS SHERROD'S ONE AND ONLY LOSS WHEN HE WAS RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION FOR SECRETARY OF STATE.

>> MANAGED THAT CAMPAIGN -- >> I DID.

THANK YOU.

I WASN'T GOING TO MENTION THAT.

BUT I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, HE'S NEVER -- HE'S NEVER HAD A REPUBLICAN LEADING THE TICKET BY TEN OR 12 OR EVEN EIGHT.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE MORENO CAMPAIGN UNDERSTANDS THIS.

AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET REMINDERS IN THE FINAL WEEKS HERE THAT SHERROD BROWN VOTED NOT ONCE BUT TWICE TO CONVICT DONALD TRUMP WHEN HE WAS IMPEACHED.

AND TRUMP VOTERS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN LIKE MIKE DeWINE VOTERS BECAUSE WE SAW A LOT OF MIKE DeWINE VOTERS VOTE FOR TIM RYAN TWO YEARS AGO.

BECAUSE DeWINE WON BY 20, AND RYAN ONLY LOST BY SIX.

I THINK THE TRUMP VOTER IS DIFFERENT THAN THAT DeWINE VOTER.

>> SPEAKING OF LAST-MINUTE REMINDERS, ALMOST ALL OF THE SHERROD BROWN ADS AND GROUPS SUPPORTING HIM NOW ARE FOCUSED ON REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS, ANDMORENO'S SHIFTING POSITION ON ABORTION.

HE FAVORS A 15-WEEK RESTRICTION, BUT BEFORE HE WAS STRICTLY ANTI-ABORTION.

THE GENDER GAP IS VERY PRONOUNCED HERE IN OHIO BETWEEN BERNIE MORENO HAS A TWO-POINT LEAD AMONG MEN, SHERROD AN 11 HISTORY 12-POINT LEAD AMONG WOMEN.

>> FOR SURE TO BE SUCCESSFUL HERE, TO NARROW THAT GAP IN THE PRESIDENTIAL -- WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT BEFORE, WE HAVE TO SEE BIG TURNOUT FROM WOMEN.

I THINK ANOTHER NUMBER THAT'S COME OUT THAT IS ALSO SOMEWHAT DISCONCERTING ON OUR SIDE IS JUST HOW THE GAP HAS NARROWED WITH BLACK VOTERS BETWEEN BOTH THESE CANDIDATES.

AND SO NAME OF THE GAME, FINAL MONTH, TURN OUT, TURN OUT, TURNOUT TARGETING, AND MAKING SURE WE GET WHERE A LOT OF VOTERS WE SEE IN OHIO ARE MORE ON THE INDEPENDENT SIDE OF THINGS, THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THESE DIFFERENCES ARE, AND THEY'RE WILLING TO SHOW UP AND PROTECT THEIR RIGHTS.

>> THIS IS THE ECONOMIC ISSUES, DARREL, THAT'S HOLDING BACK PEOPLE FROM VOTING FOR KAMALA HARRIS OR SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR KAMALA HARRIS NOW BECAUSE INFLATION HAS COOLED, BUT IT'S -- IT WAS REALLY HOT FOR THE FIRST PART OF BIDEN'S ADMINISTRATION.

>> YEAH.

YOU KNOW, TO SAY INFLATION HAS COOLED, THAT MEANS, OF COURSE, THE PRICES ARE INCREASING MORE SLOWLY THAN THEY WERE.

YOU STILL GO -- YOU STILL HAVE THAT GROCERY BASKET EFFECT THAT PEOPLE ARE SEEING WHEN THEY BUY EGGS OR BUY THINGS LIKE THAT.

MAYBE SOME PRICES HAVE GONE DOWN, BUT YOU STILL -- YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE RECEIPT AT THE END, IT'S LIKE, MAN, HOW -- I DON'T HAVE HALF A BASKET.

IS IT THAT MUCH?

I THINK THAT STICKER SHOCK IS STILL THERE.

AND I THINK THEIR CONTENTION THAT KAMALA HARRIS IS QUOTE/UNQUOTE TOO LIBERAL FOR OHIO, KIND OF A CLICHE, LOT OF VERY GENERALIZATIONS.

I STILL THINK IT HAS, YOU KNOW, SOME WHEELS TO IT.

THAT STILL FLOW IN THIS STATE.

IN PART BECAUSE OHIO -- YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE DAY, TEN YEARS AGO, THERE WERE MANY DEMOCRATS OVER THE MAHONING VALLEY, YOU KNOW, OTHER AREAS OF OHIO.

LOT OF DEMOCRATS, BUT FEWER LIBERAL DEMOCRATS.

>> YEAH.

>> FOR STATEWIDE RACE.

>> CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS, REAGAN DEMOCRATS.

>> YEAH.

THAT WAS THE MOST COMMON LABEL.

AND YOU KNOW, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, WHETHER IT'S THEIR FAULT OR NOT, THEY ALSO -- THE RELIABLY BLUE COUNTIES IN EASTERN OHIO, MAHONING COUNTY, FAR NORTHEAST OHIO PRETTY MUCH UP IN THE AIR IF NOT BRIGHT RED.

>> WE'LL WATCH AGAIN ON ELECTION NIGHT AS WE HAVE THE PAST FEW CYCLES.

>>>S THE YES ON ISSUE -- THE YES ON ISSUE ONE CAMPAIGN HAS AN AD WITH AN ARMY VETERAN SAYING HE SUPPORTS HAVING AN INDEPENDENT COMMISSION DRAW LEGISLATIVE AND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS.

THIS AS SOME QUESTION WHETHER THE AMENDMENT WOULD PRECLUDE MILITARY MEMBERS FROM SERVING ON THE REDIRECTING COMMISSION BECAUSE THE AMENDMENT WOULD PROHIBIT, QUOTE, APPOINTIVE FEDERAL, STATE, OR LOCAL OFFICIALS FROM SERVING.

SUPPORTERS OF THE AMENDMENT SAY APPOINTIVE OFFICIALS ARE TOP OFFICIALS, APPOINTED BY THE PRESIDENT, GOVERNOR, OR LOCAL JURISDICTIONS, NOT POLICE, FIRE, OR MILITARY OFFICIALS.

JO INGLES, THE AD IS OUT THERE.

AGAIN, THEY ARE TRYING TO COUNTER THE ARGUMENTS IN THE WIND THAT MORAL FOLKS CAN'T SERVE OR THAT THIS -- MILITARY FOLKS CAN'T SERVE OR THAT THIS AMENDMENT WILL DILUTE THE POWER OF MINORITY CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS.

>> I'VE TALKED TO CHRIS DAVEY, A CITIZENS FOR POLITICIANS, AND HE SAYS THIS IS AN INSIDIOUS, BLATANTLY INCORRECT RUMOR THAT THE ANTI-ISSUE ONE FOLKS ARE SPREADING TO TRY TO PLANT SOME DOUBT, TO TRY TO PLANT SOME MISINFORMATION IN THE MINDS OF VOTERS.

YOU'VE GOT TO REMEMBER THIS IS A COMPLICATED ISSUE, AND PEOPLE ARE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.

THE LANGUAGE OF THE AMENDMENT ITSELF REFERS TO PEOPLE WHO ARE ELECTED AND APPOINTED, NOT PEOPLE WHO ARE HIRED.

BUT LET'S FACE IT, THE ANTI-ISSUE ONE SIDE, THEY REALLY BENEFIT BY GETTING OUT THERE, WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT, IF THEY THINK THEY CAN CONFUSE THIS ISSUE, THEY BENEFIT BY DOING SO BECAUSE CONFUSED VOTERS TEND TO VOTE NO.

>> DARREL, THE ADS, THERE MUST BE SOME CONCERN ON THE YES SIDE THAT THIS ISSUE IS TAKING SOME HOLD.

>> YEAH.

I THINK THEY -- THAT'S SOMETHING TO TAKE LIGHT.

IF YOU'RE BANNING VETERANS AND SOME VERSIONS SAY POLICE OFFICERS, FIREFIGHTERS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, AND WHO KNOWS HOW MANY -- YOU'RE WIPING THOSE OTHER PEOPLE OUT ALONG WITH THE DREADED POLITICIANS FROM THIS PROCESS.

YOU KNOW, WHY IS THAT FAIR?

SO YEAH, I THINK YOU WANT TO SHOOT THAT DOWN.

AND I ALSO -- I TALK TO MAUREEN O'CONNOR WHO WROTE THE THING, THERE COULD ALWAYS BE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, BUT SHE IS UP AND DOWN.

NO WAY THAT'S A VALID INTERPRETATION.

AND IF IT PASSES, OF COURSE, SOME JUDGE SOMEWHERE WILL DECIDE ALL THIS FOR US.

>> BUT THE PROBLEM IS NO SIDE -- TO GET THIS ISSUE OUT AND OTHER ISSUES LIKE THIS, THEY HAVE TO GET ON TV, AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.

>> YEAH.

THE WHOLE CRUX OF ISSUE CAMPAIGNS IS EDUCATION, AND EDUCATION MEANS SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON TV.

DSI HAS A LOT OF MONEY, ALMOST, YOU KNOW, WHAT, 90% OF IT OUT OF STATE.

I WON'T TALK ABOUT OUT OF COUNTRY.

THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.

BUT YEAH, SO I MEAN, THEY HAVE THE MONEY TO PUT UP THIS AD TO REFUTE A RUMOR THAT'S OUT THERE.

THAT'S WHAT'S AMAZING.

THEY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY THAT THEY CAN EVEN PUT UP AN AD THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEING PUT ON TV AGAINST THEM, JUST A RUMOR THAT'S OUT THERE.

>> THE HEARING OF INSIDERS TALKING ABOUT THIS, MAYBE IT'S SPREADING AMONG POLICE FORCES AND ON VETERANS AND VFW HAULS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW.

>> I THINK YOU HAVE TO PUT WORK AND EVEN SOMEONE WHO FOLLOWS POLITICS CLOSELY LIKE I DO, PUT WORK INTO UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE NO ON ISSUE ONE SIDE IS AND WHAT THEY MEAN BY CRITIQUES OF ISSUE ONE.

NOT WHERE YOU WANT TO BE.

THAT'S SEVERAL LAYERS OF INTERPRETATION AND PERSUASION THAT I DON'T THINK IS GOING TO BE ENOUGH.

AND I WANTED TO SPEAK, TOO, TO THE IDEA THAT SOMEHOW WE'LL HAVE LESS BLACK REPRESENTATION.

I MEAN, WOW, THAT'S PERNICIOUS, THAT THE ONLY WAY THAT WE COULD BE ABLE TO PRESERVE BLACK REPRESENTATION IS BY HAVING GERRYMANDERED DISTRICTS IN AN INABILITY TO WIN FAIRLY DRAWN DISTRICTS BY BLACK CANDIDATES.

>> BUT IT WENT TO COURT IN MICHIGAN BECAUSE FOLKS FELT THEY WERE ERODING BLACK DISTRICTS IN THE DETROIT AREA.

>> YEAH, NO, I REALLY THINK THAT BASED ON THE LEVEL OF SUPPORT THAT WE'RE SEEING, BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT HAS TAKEN TO GET THIS ISSUE ON THE BALLOT, SO MANY PEOPLE IDENTIFY THIS ISSUE WITH THIS IS ABOUT REMOVING POLITICIANS FROM OUR POLITICAL PROCESS, AND EVEN HARD-CORE MANAGE FOLKS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.

>> THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD TALKING ABOUT TICKET SPLITTERS.

PEOPLE ARE ANGRY, BOB, AT POLITICIANS, AND THEY VOTE FOR TRUMP.

THIS IS A WAY TO BE ANGRY AT OTHER POLITICIANS LIKE MIKE DeWINE, FRANK LaROSE, YOU KNOW, THE SENATE PRESIDENT, THE HOUSE LEADERS.

>> YEAH.

THIS COULD BE A RELEASE VALVE FOR SOME OF THAT.

BUT AS THE NO PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO HOOK THIS UP CLOSELY WITH DONALD TRUMP, SO I MEAN, THAT'S ABOUT AS BEST AS YOU CAN GO.

IF YOU CAN GET THE CONNECTION DONALD TRUMP DOESN'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA FOR OHIO, VOTE NO, THEY MIGHT HAVE A GOOD SHOT AT IT.

>> THAT MAY BE THE ONLY SHOT.

THAT MAY BE THE ONLY SHOT.

>> YEAH.

AND THE THING ABOUT ISSUE ONE, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT DOES HAVE SAFEGUARDS IN IT.

AND I WOULD ADVISE EVERYONE TO READ THE AMENDMENT.

GO TO THE -- >> HOW MUCH TIME DO THEY HAVE, JO?

>> YOU KNOW WHAT -- >> THAT'S THE THING.

>> IT'S A PROCESS THING WHICH PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT PROCESS.

THIS IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH ISSUE ONE.

>> BUT THE THING IS THAT BEING A VOTER REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT OF RESPONSIBILITY ON YOUR PART.

AND I THINK IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW -- IF YOU'RE NOT SURE ABOUT THINGS, YOU SHOULD READ THE ACTUAL AMENDMENT.

AND FIGURE OUT FROM THERE.

AND YOU SEE THAT WHEN YOU DO READ THAT AMENDMENT, THERE ARE A LOT OF SAFEGUARDS IN THERE.

>> DO YOU BELIEVE THE POLLS, THAT IT'S GOT 60% YES NOW?

>> POLLING STATEWIDE BALLOT ISSUES IS VERY DICEY, ESPECIALLY THIS FAR OUT.

NOW IF THE NO SIDES DON'T HAVE MONEY TO COUNTER, I DON'T KNOW.

I'VE PERSONALLY TAKEN POLLS ON ISSUES THAT LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE GOING TO PASS, AND THEN YOU GET SOME LATE ADS, THEY CAN SHIFT INCREDIBLY QUICKLY.

I THINK JO'S OBSERVATION IS ASTUTE.

IT'S LIKE TO MAKE THE CASE NECESSARY TO VOTE NO, JUST CONFUSE THE VOTE YES.

IT'S LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE -- IF YOU'RE A DEFENSE ATTORNEY YOU HAVE TO PROVE YOUR CLIENT IS INNOCENT, JUST PUT THAT -- THAT DEGREE OF DOUBT IN THE JURY'S MIND, AND YOU KNOW, THE VERDICT MAY GO YOUR WAY.

AND IT MAY BE THE SAME HERE IN THE ELECTION.

>> THAT'S WHAT TURNOUT AND GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATIONS MAY IF SOME MONEY IS SPENT ON THAT, NOT JUST TV ADS, MIGHT HELP, AS WELL.

>>> IT'S NOT GETTING AS MUCH ATTENTION AS ISSUE ONE OR THE U.S. SENATE RACE, BUT THE HOW SUPREME COURT HAS -- OHIO SUPREME COURT HAS A LOT RIDING ON THIS ELECTION.

VOTERS WILL DECIDE NEARLY HALF OF THE SEATS ON THE COURT.

THREE OF THE SEVEN JUSTICES ARE ON THE BALLOT.

DEMOCRATIC INCUMBENT MICHAEL DONNELLY FACES REPUBLICAN CHALLENGER MEGAN SHANAHAN.

MELODY STEWART FACES REPUBLICAN JOHN DETERS WHO IS ALSO AN INCUMBENT BUT RUNNING FOR A DIFFERENT SEAT WITH A LONGER TERM.

DETERS' SEAT FEATURES A CONTEST BETWEEN DEMOCRAT LISA FORBES AND REPUBLICAN DAN HAWKINS.

MORGAN HARPER, THE DEMOCRATS ARE RUNNING AS A SLATE IT SEEMS BECAUSE THERE ARE Ds AND Rs NEXT TO THEIR NAMES NOW.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT STRATEGY?

IS THAT THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN WIN?

>> WELL, I THINK IT ALSO PROBABLY CONNECTS TO HOW MUCH MONEY HAS BEEN RAISED AND BEING ABLE TO POOL RESOURCES.

AND SPEAKING OF EDUCATION -- WE HAVE A BIG EDUCATIONAL CHALLENGE ON OUR HANDS FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THERE IS A STATE SUPREME COURT, WHAT THE SEATS MEAN, WHY THEY MATTER, HOW IT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE FEDERAL SUPREME COURT.

SO I THINK IT DOES MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO TRY TO BORK TOGETHER ON THAT FRONT -- WORK TOGETHER ON THAT FRONT.

LOOK, WE CAN'T DIMINISH THE CHALLENGE BEFORE US TRYING TO WIN THESE SEATS WHEN THEY ARE IDENTIFIED WITH CERTAIN PARTY AFFILIATIONS BASED ON HOW THINGS HAVE BEEN GOING STATEWIDE FOR DEMOCRATS IN OHIO.

IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY TOUGH.

>> IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT NAMES OUT TO EVEN THE MOST INFORMED VOTERS, BOB, THEY MIGHT RECOGNIZE THE INCUMBENTS LIKE DONNELLY AND DETERS AND STEWART, BUT IT WOULD BE TOUGH.

>> EVEN THEN.

I'VE DONE A LOT OF SUPREME COURT RACES HERE IN OHIO, AND EVEN OUTSIDE OF OHIO, AND HERE IN OHIO IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT THE NAME.

AND IF YOU HAD AN IRISH NAME, IT WAS THAT MUCH BETTER.

THAT'S WHY I THINK DONNELLY WOULD HAVE HAD THE BEST BET.

WHEN YOU HAD JUST NAMES, NO PARTY I.D., YOU HAD ABOUT A 20% TO 25% DROP-OFF FROM THE TOP OF THE TICKET VOTE TO THE SUPREME COURT RACES.

WHEN WE PUT THAT PARTY I.D.

DROP-OFF FELL TO LESS THAN 5%.

SO PEOPLE GOT JUST ENOUGH INFORMATION FROM THAT PARTY I.D.

THAT THEY WANTED TO VOTE IN THOSE RACES.

SO I THINK -- >> ON THE BALLOT, TOO, REMEMBER, FROM THE SAME AMENDMENT.

>> YEAH.

THEY MOVED UP.

BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK IT JUST -- I MEAN, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO VOTE WHEN THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE INDIVIDUALS.

AND YOU KNOW, WHEN IT BECOMES A NAME GAME THEN.

>> MAYBE R AND D HELPS SOME VOTERS DECIDE.

YOU SHOULD DO YOUR RESEARCH.

LIKE ISSUE ONE, DO YOUR RESEARCH ON THE SUPREME COURT RACES.

>>> TIME FOR THE OFF-THE-RECORD PARTING SHOTS.

MORGAN HARPER?

>> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, ISSUE 47, ANOTHER BALLOT INITIATIVE WOULD EXPAND TRANSIT IN OHIO.

DO YOUR RESEARCH.

SEEMS ANOTHER WAY TO GET FASTER AROUND THE REGION.

>> LINK US.

>> WE FOUND OUT THIS WEEK LONGTIME CONGRESSMAN DAVE HOBSON PASSED AWAY, AND -- GREAT GUY, I KNEW HIM ALMOST 40 YEARS WHEN HE WAS STATE SENATOR, FORMER CLIENT.

JUST A GOOD MAN.

I WISH WE HAD MORE LIKE HIM IN POLITICS.

>> DARREL?

>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE THIS, BUT HE STOLE MINE.

>> OH.

>> SORRY.

>> NO, IT'S ALL RIGHT.

DAVE HOBSON -- HERE'S THE GUY -- THESE ARE THE KIND OF PEOPLE WE WOULD LIKE ON THE REDISTRICTING COMMISSION.

PEOPLE OF GOODWILL WHO DO PUT THE BIGGER PICTURE AHEAD OF GETTING RE-ELECTED OR WHATEVER.

THAT'S NOT HIS PRIMARY GOAL IN LIFE.

AND HE WORKED WITH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, NOW HE WAS A -- WHAT THEY CALL A CARDINAL.

HE HAD APPROPRIATIONS MONEY TO GIVE OUT.

HE WAS MORE POPULAR FOR DOING THAT.

BUT STILL -- YOU LOOK AT THE PRAISE FROM -- TOTALLY BIPARTISAN.

>> YEAH.

JO?

>> I WANT TO SAY I'M SAD THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE MORE DEBATES THIS TIME AROUND.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S REALLY BOTHERING A LOT OF THESE CANDIDATES IS THEY DON'T WANT FACT CHECKS.

WELL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T WANT FACT CHECKS, THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT RULES OUT DEBATES BECAUSE DEBATES ARE BASED ON FACTS.

AND IF YOU CAN'T FACT CHECK A CANDIDATE, THEN THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY KIND OF FED UP WITH NOT HAVING DEBATES.

>> PREACH.

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