>> MR. BROWN WANTS TO GO BACK TO WASHINGTON.

>> WELCOME TO "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD," I'M MIKE THOMPSON.

FORMER SENATOR SHERROD BROWN HAD THREE PLAUSIBLE OPTIONS-- RUN FOR GOVERNOR, RUN FOR U. S. SENATE--OR, STAY OUT OF ELECTED POLITICS ALTOGETHER-- HE APPARENTLY HAS CHOSEN TO TRY TO RETURN TO FAMILIAR TERRITORY AND CHALLENGE SENATOR JON HUSTED.

BROWN HAS SAID NOTHING PUBLICLY, BUT PEOPLE CLOSE TO HIM HAVE RELAYED HIS DECISION TO SEVERAL MEDIA OUTLETS.

THE MOVE MAKES SENATE MINORITY LEADER CHUCK SCHUMER HAPPY--HE LOBBIED BROWN TO HELP DEMOCRATS TRY TO WIN BACK THE SENATE-- THE MOVE DISSAPOINTS SOME DEMOCRATS AND LABOR LEADERS, WHO THINK BROWN WOULD HAVE THE BEST CHANCE OF BEATING VIVEK RAMASWAMY IN THE RACE FOR GOVERNOR.

HERB ASHER, IS THIS A GOOD MOVE FOR OHIO DEMOCRATS MARK >> FOR SURE, HE LOVES THE SENATE IT , I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HE WOULD LOVE THAT JOB, BUT I THINK IN THE SENATE HE GETS TO WORK ON NATIONAL AND STATE ISSUES THAT BENEFIT LOTS OF PEOPLE, WHETHER IT'S PENSION ISSUES, WHETHER IT IS SOCIAL SECURITY, FAIRNESS ISSUES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND I THINK HE HAS A BETTER CHANCE OF BECOMING SENATOR THAN GOVERNOR.

THE SENATE RACE WILL BE SO IMPORTANT THAT NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY SENATOR HUSTED RAISES TRENTON WILL ALSO RAISE MONEY.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT SENATOR HUSTED HAS A VOTING RECORD INCLUDING ON THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BUDGET BILL WHICH WILL BE INFLICTING LOTS OF PAIN ON PEOPLE, SO THERE'S AN OBVIOUS SET OF ISSUES NOW.

>> WHERE THEY DISAPPOINTED?

WE SAW SOME QUOTES THEY SAID THEY WERE LAYING THE GROUNDWORK, AND BROWN DECIDED TO GO FOR SENATOR?

>> I PERCEIVED THAT TO BE KATHLEEN CLYDE CHAIR THAT WAS SHERROD BROWN'S .

I THINK HE IS CONCERNED ABOUT RAMASWAMY'S STANCE ON LABOR ISSUES .

HAVING A STRONG GOVERNOR CANDIDATE WOULD HELP DEMOCRATS IMMEASURABLY IN OHIO HAVING THINGS LIKE APPOINTMENTS, REGULATIONS, AND KIND OF HAVE MORE OF A DIRECT AFFECT ON PEOPLE'S LIVES HERE.

>> I AM SURE BROWN WAS A CONGRESSMAN BEFORE IN THE SENATE.

I HAD A HARD TIME ENVISIONING HIM AS GOVERNOR.

DO YOU THINK OHIO VOTERS WOULD HAVE FELT THE SAME WAY DO YOU THINK?

>> I AM NOT SURE.

WHAT WAS ATTRACTIVE ABOUT RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR IS YOU GET A FOUR YEAR TERM, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO RUN AGAIN IN FOUR YEARS, BECAUSE HUSTED WAS APPOINTED TO AN OPENING THEY BOTH HAVE TO WHOEVER IS THE WINNER HAS TO RUN AGAIN.

AND RUNNING A STATEWIDE CAMPAIGN IS A MASSIVE GRIND.

I ALSO THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE UM--PRETTY MUCH AN EPIC FIGHT BETWEEN THESE TWO CANDIDATES.

THEY BOTH HAVE LONG RESUMES OF PUBLIC SERVICE, AND POLITICS, AND UM--THEY BOTH HAVE THE ABILITY TO RAISE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY.

SO, IT'S, AND ALSO THE BALANCE OF THE CONTROL OF THE SENATE AND THE BALANCE.

>> SO, THIS WILL BE WELL KNOWN OHIO POLITICIANS WITH LONG RECORDS OF PUBLIC SERVICE.

STICK TO THE ISSUES AND THE HIGH GROUND WILL BE NO NEGATIVE ADS RIGHT?

>> SUDDENLY JOHN HUGHES DID-- SENATOR HUSTED WHO SPENT DECADES AND DECADES IN CONGRESS CLOSE TO OFFICE --I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT STILL, HE IS MUCH YOUNGER HARDLY ATE RIGHT-WING -- CHUCK SCHUMER IS TRYING TO GO FOR OLD FACES.

HE SAID IT'S TIME FOR SOME NEW BLOOD.

SO, THERE'S SOME INTERESTING CONTRAST, AND BY THE WAY, OSU MIGHT CONSIDER SWITCHING TO A COMMERCIAL STATION NEXT YEAR.

THE TV AD BUYS WILL BE HUGE .

THEY COULD CONTRACT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WAY.

>> THAT WOULD BE NICE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S HAPPENING.

POLITICIANS CHOOSE TO RUN IMAGES NOT TO RUN .

IT'S A WHETHER THEY CAN WIN OR NOT.

JON HUSTED, HE RAN STATEWIDE IN 2010.

SECRETARY OF STATE.

THEN, HE STARTED RUNNING AGAINST MIKE DeWINE.

DID , BROWN THINKS HE HAS A BETTER CHANCE OF HUSTED RATHER THAN RAMASWAMY ?

>> IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO RAISE MORE MONEY.

MORE IN PLAY A MONTH TOM TILLIS IN NORTH CAROLINA IS NOT RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION .

COOPER, THE FORMER GOVERNOR OF NORTH CAROLINA, IS RUNNING FOR THAT SEAT, SO THAT COULD BE VERY EASILY A DEMOCRATIC PICKUP.

IF SHERROD CAN WIN THAT WOULD BE A PICKUP FOR THE DEMOCRATS.

AND NOW THEY ARE DOWN TO 51-49.

I THINK THE SENATE BECAME MORE ATTRACTIVE WITH THE GREATER CHANCE OF MAYBE BEING IN THE MAJORITY.

I THINK REPUBLICANS ARE STILL FAVORED.

SO I THINK SHERROD CHOSE THE RACE THAT WAS MORE FAVORABLE FOR HIM, BUT ALSO A SITUATION.

YOU KNOW, IMAGINE BEING THE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR OF OHIO WITH A REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE LIKE WE HAVE.

IN OTHER STATES-- >> THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR OF OHIO WITH THE LEGISLATURE WE HAVE.

>> [ LAUGHTER ] WHEN THAT HAPPENS IN NORTH CAROLINA, KENTUCKY, THE LEGISLATURE SAID WE CAN TAKE YOUR POWERS AWAY.

NO MORE APPOINTMENT POWERS AS SENATE.

WE WILL TAKE FROM YOUR BUDGET POWER-- >> WITH SHERROD BROWN'S DECISION OTHER DEMOCRATS HAVE SOME DECIDING TO DO, NAMELY FORMER CONGRESSMAN TIM RYAN-- EARLIER THIS YEAR HE SAID HE WAS CONSIDERING A RUN FOR GOVERNOR--NOW HIS SPOKESMAN SAYS RYAN HAS A RENEWED AND HEIGHTENED INTEREST IN RUNNING.

OF COURSE DEMOCRATS ALREADY HAVE ONE CANDIDATE--FORMER HEALTH DIRECTOR, AMY ACTON-- THE QUESTION IS--IF RYAN JOINS THE RACE, DO THEY FIGHT IT OUT IN A PRIMARY?

OR, DOES ONE OF THEM DROP DOWN TO RUN FOR LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR?

ACTON, THIS WEEK, RELEASED A LIST OF DEMOCRATS WHO HAVE ENDORSED HER--AND SHE TOUTED INTERNAL POLLING THAT SHOWS HER BASICALLY TIED WITH RAMASWAMY.

DO WE HAVE ANY KIND OF TIMELINE?

WE ARE WAITING FOR SHERROD BROWN TO MAKE A DECISION.

ANY TIMELINE ON WHEN RYAN WILL DECIDE?

>> I THINK IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS, BUT THAT'S WISHFUL THINKING, THAT WE CAN HAVE RESOLUTION ON THIS AND NOT SPEND MONTHS TALKING ABOUT IT LIKE WE DID SHERROD BROWN.

I DON'T KNOW HOW SERIOUSLY RYAN WAS CONSIDERING RUNNING FOR THIS OFFICE.

I THINK THERE WAS AT SOME POINT THE COALESCE AROUND SHERROD BROWN WILL RUN FOR GOVERNOR, SO I THINK FOR RYAN IT WAS EASY TO SAY I'M RUNNING FOR WHATEVER, AND HAVE HIS NAME OUT THERE.

BUT NOW IT'S MORE TIME FOR CHOOSING, IT'S MORE TANGIBLE THAT HE HAS TO DECIDE.

HE FINALLY WENT FOR STATE OFFICE IN 2022 WHEN HIS CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT GOT DRAWN OUT.

WE'LL SEE WHAT HE THINKS HERE, BUT I DON'T THINK DEMOCRATS WILL BE THAT EXCITED TO HAVE A HOTLY CONTESTED PRIMARY, GIVEN THEY HAVE BIGGER FISH TO FRY HERE.

BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S POSSIBLE IT MIGHT HAPPEN.

>> WELL SIMILARLY RYAN HAS GOT SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

HE MOVED OUT OF MAHONEY VALLEY.

HIGH GAS AND CRYPTO PEOPLE DEMOCRAT BASIN LIBERAL COALITION, SO TIM RYAN WILL HAVE TO GO THINK HARD.

AND I DON'T THINK AMY ACTON IS GOING TO GET OUT OF THE WAY.

THERE HAVE BEEN OHIO WOMEN WHO FEEL NEGLECTED BY POWERBROKERS IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

>> TO WIN THE GOVERNOR'S RACE YOU TO WIN THE CITIES AS A DEMOCRAT AND NOT LOSE BY AS MUCH IN THE RURAL AREAS.

>> EXACTLY.

>> AMY ACTON BECAUSE OF COVID AND THAT IS UNPOPULAR IN RURAL AREAS.

>> I THINK AMY ACTON REALIZES THAT.

I THINK SHE WILL HAVE EMPHASIS ON ISSUES OF HEALTH, AND--YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY, IF YOU WILL , THAT WILL PLAY WELL IN RURAL AREAS.

BUT, ALL YOU ARE TRYING TO DO IS 60-40 RATHER THAN-20.

>> THE SENATE RACE IS TWO OLD HANDS.

THIS WOULD BE TWO WITH AMY ACTON AMY ACTON VERSUS RAMASWAMY.

>> THEN IT IS TWO ATYPICAL CANDIDATES AGAINST EACH OTHER.

I THINK RAMASWAMY'S NAME I. D. HAS SHOT UP.

AMY ACTON I THINK HAS UM-- RESIDUAL NAME I. D. FROM COVID AND ALL THE 2:00 PRESS CONFERENCES WHERE SHE GAVE UPDATES.

AND I THINK SHE HAS A VERY-- NONTRADITIONAL APPROACH INTO POLITICS THAT MIGHT BE FEELING TO THE GENERAL ELECTION VOTER.

>> WHO ENERGIZES DEMOCRATS IN THE STATE MORE?

>> AMY ACTON.

OH, YEAH.

ONE THING WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IS YOU KNOW, WHAT WILL THE GENERAL TENOR OF POLITICS BE IN THE MIDTERM ELECTION?

WILL TRUMP BE VERY UNPOPULAR?

WILL RAMASWAMY, WHO EARLIER ON BEFORE MADE A NUMBER OF INCREDIBLY, I THOUGHT, STUPID COMMENTS ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES, DESIRABILITY OF HOMESCHOOLING AND THINGS LIKE THAT-- >> ENTER, I ASSUME THERE PROBABLY WILL BE DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN AMY ACTON AND TIM RYAN AS, WOULD ONE CONSIDER BEING LIEUTENANT MYRNA --GOVERNOR?

THAT'S WHAT SEPARATES THEM.

>> THOSE CONVERSATIONS MIGHT HAPPEN.

UM--I--THERE IS A SCHISM IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY .

AMY ACTON IS AFFILIATED WITH SHERROD BROWN 'S CAMPAIGN.

KEY PEOPLE IN HER CAMPAIGN TIM RYAN HAS BEEN OF A DIFFERENT SET OF CONSULTANTS.

SO, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT KIND OF PETTY STUFF MATTERS WITH THINGS LIKE THIS.

I SPOKE WITH A BIG LABOR LEADER, AND HE SAID HE WOULD MIND THERE BEING A PRIMARY, BUT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF THAT SENTIMENT EXISTS, IF IT STARTS GETTING UGLY AND PERSONAL.

SO, I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS IS GOING TO GO.

BUT I AM SURE THERE WILL BE CONVERSATIONS TO TRY AND PREVENT A PRIMARY WHERE THEY ARE DISADVANTAGED.

>> RAMASWAMY IN SOME WAYS MY PREFER RUNNING AGAINST TIM RYAN, BECAUSE HIS TIME IN CONGRESS IS PRETTY MUCH AN EMPTY SHIP THERE ARE THINGS THAT MAKE IT EASY TO GO AFTER.

IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHICH WOULD BE STRONGER.

I THINK THERE ARE REAL DIVISIONS OUT THERE.

AND AGAIN FROM HIS LOBBYING BUSINESS GIVES HIM PAUSE.

DOES HE WANT TO GIVE UP THAT MONEY TO RUN?

WELL IT MAKES PARTS OF THE DEMOCRATIC BASE UNHAPPY WITH HIM?

>> WE SHALL SEE.

> >> FOR FANS OF COMPUTER CHIP MAKER INTEL, AND THOSE PUSHING ITS NEW ALBANY FACTORY--THIS WAS A GOOD WEEK.

IT WAS AT LEAST BETTER THAN LAST WEEK.

LAST WEEK, PRESIDENT TRUMP CALLED FOR INTEL CEO LIP-BU TAN TO RESIGN, BECAUSE OF HIS TIES TO CHINESE BUSINESSES.

SENATOR BERNIE MORENO QUICKLY ECHOED TRUMP AND SAID, THE COMPANY SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED FOR FRAUD.

THE PRICE OF INTEL SHARES DROPPED ON WALL STREET LAST WEEK.

WELL, ON MONDAY, LIP-BU TAN GOT A MEETING WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP- -AND AFTER THE SESSION, THE PRESIDENT WROTE ON TRUTH SOCIAL THAT IT WAS VERY INTERESTING-- AND CALLED TAN'S SUCCESS AND RISE AN AMAZING STORY.

INTEL'S STOCK ROSE ABOUT 10%.

BUT, THE WORRY REMAINS--STATE LAWMAKERS THIS WEEK CALLED FOR GREATER TRANSPARENCY IN HOW INTEL IS SPENDING GOVERNMENT ASSITANCE TO THE NEW ALBANY PROJECT.

LAURA BISCHOFF, GOVERNMENT TRANSPARENCY ON HOW IT'S SPENDING ITS MONEY.

THAT'S A NOVEL IDEA.

>> ACTUALLY IT'S AN IDEA THAT'S BEEN AROUND SINCE THE '70s WITH THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAW.

BUT THE LAWMAKERS HAVE NEVER MET AN EXCEPTION THEY DIDN'T LIKE.

WELL, THIS IS TWO DEMOCRATS WILL INTRODUCE A RESOLUTION, REALLY LIKE A SUGGESTION OF, HEY, WE WOULD LIKE MORE TRANSPARENCY, MORE REGULAR REPORTS.

I DON'T SEE THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENING.

UM--I WILL SAY THE GOVERNOR , ON THURSDAY, AT A PRESS AVAILABILITY, SAID HE IS CONFIDENT, AGAIN , HE IS CONFIDENT CHIPS WILL BE BUILT AT THAT SITE.

THEY HAVE INVESTED ALREADY $7 BILLION INTO IT.

AND UM--SO , HE DOESN'T SEE ONE GETTING COMPLETELY PULLED.

AND WE HAVE SOME WEIRD HALF- BUILT CHIP FACTORY.

AND HE SAID THIS IS A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY THAT WE HAVE DOMESTICALLY PRODUCED CHIPS, ETC.

UM--I DO THINK IT'S, THESE DELAYS, I THINK WE WILL SEE MORE.

>> TERRY, IS THE WORD OVER NOW THAT TRUMP IS ON LIP-BU TAN PROPHESY?

>> I'M DOUBLING DOWN ON IT NOW, YOU ARE GOING TO SEE VERY SOON SOME NEW INVESTORS, MAYBE THE UNITED STATES SENATE, MAYBE SOME OTHER PEOPLE, SO THERE IS GOING TO BE THINGS HAPPENING .

BESIDES A. I.

THAT HAS THE PEOPLE'S ATTENTION, THERE IS A THING CALLED QUANTUM COMPUTING THAT'S JUST OVER THE HORIZON THAT COULD TIE IN WITH WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT INTEL PLAY AGAIN.

I THINK IT'S STILL GOING TO HAPPEN, IT'S JUST GOING TO HAVE A FEW BOBS AND WEAVES BEFORE IT DOES.

PEOPLE BUILDING IT AREN'T GOING TO STOP AND TURN IT TO NOTHING.

>> HERB, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE MEETING?

FIRST THEY ARE BEST BUDS.

IT'S LIKE A SOAP OPERA.

YOU LOOK AT REUTERS AND THE WALL STREET JOURNAL AND BLOOMBERG, THIS DEAL HAS TO BE MADE.

>> SURE, BUT AGAIN, THE WAY TRUMP APPROACHES THIS, OR TARIFFS OR SO MANY OTHER THINGS, HE HAS AN ELEMENT OF INSTABILITY AND UNPREDICTABILITY, WHICH IS NOT GOOD FOR THE OVERALL PROCESS , BUT THE PEOPLE IN OHIO ARE RELIEVED [ LAUGHTER ] UNTIL WITH WHAT'S CONSIDERED TO BE A POSITIVE THING RATHER THAN YOU KNOW, GETTING RID OF THEIR PRESIDENT.

>> SO, WHAT DO FOLKS HERE IN OHIO AND LAWMAKERS DO RIGHT NOW?

WAIT , RIGHT, ANDREW?

>> YEAH, THIS TALK OF THE U. S. GOVERNMENT TAKING A STAKE IN THE COMPANY IS PRETTY UNUSUAL.

I KNOW THAT THE GOVERNMENT FOR U. S. SEAL MERGER, SO BUT IT'S LIKE THE STATE CAPITAL IS SOMETHING WE TYPICALLY SEE IN OTHER COUNTRIES.

BUT, ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE'S BEEN THE ARGUMENT ABOUT THESE CHIP COMPANIES, HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE FOR NATIONAL SECURITY, THAT'S HOW THE TAIWAN SEMI CONDUCTOR GOT STARTED.

I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WHAT INTEL HAD IN MIND WHEN THEY STARTED THIS WHOLE PROJECT IN THE FIRST PLACE THINKING THEY WOULD BE SUBSIDIZED BY THE GOVERNMENT.

SO IT'S KIND OF UNCHARTED TERRITORY TO SEE THIS HAPPEN.

BUT, I AGREE THERE'S A LOT OF INVESTMENT LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY IN THE IDEA OF BUILDING THIS FACTORY HERE IN OHIO.

BUT, WE ASKED LAWMAKERS, IT'S COMPLETELY OUT OF THEIR CONTROL .

>> THESE ARE TRICKY DAYS FOR COLLEGE ADMINISTRATORS IN OHIO, AND AROUND THE COUNTRY.

PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS TARGETED IVY LEAGUE SCHOOLS LIKE HARVARD AND COLUMBIA.

MANY SCHOOLS, INCLUDING OHIO STATE, STAND TO LOSE TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN FEDERAL RESEARCH FUNDING.

STATE LAWMAKERS HAVE PASSED A LAW THAT BANS D. E. I.

PROGRAMS AND MANDATES CAMPUSES ALLOW FOR CONSERVATIVE VIEWPOINTS.

ALL THIS COMES AS MANY SCHOOLS FACE DECREASING ENROLLMENT AS WELL AS ECONOMIC PRESSURES TO CUT COSTS.

>> TERRY, FLYING UNDER THE RADAR IS THE METAPHOR.

EXPECT HE USED TO PILOT AVOIDING ROCKS AND HARD PLACES LIKE THAT.

BUT ONE SUMMARIZED WELL TO ME.

THEY SAID WHETHER BIG TECH OR UNIVERSITIES, THEY ALWAYS FIND WAYS TO GET THINGS DONE.

AND, OF COURSE THEY ARE ALL FOCUSED ON THE MONEY.

SO, I THINK IT'LL GET DONE.

IT WILL GET SOLVED, AND THE HIGH STAKE, LAND GRANT UNIVERSITY, AS A PUBLIC UNIVERSITY THEY ARE IN A BETTER SITUATION TO HANDLE THINGS, UNDERSTAND DEALING WITH EPIC SCRUTINY AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS LIKE THIS.

>> FACING CRITICISM , IMAGINE THAT, FACING CRITICISM FROM SCHOOL FACULTY.

JEOPARDIZING ACADEMIC FREEDOM ON CAMPUS.

>> I THINK JUST FOCUS ON TRUMP FOR THAT INTERVIEW THAT HE DID WITH MARGARET BRENNAN, MARKET WAS CONSTANTLY TRYING TO GET Ted TO SAY SOMETHING NEGATIVE ABOUT DONALD TRUMP, AND HE DIDN'T, AND IT WAS SMART.

HE DOESN'T WANT TO ROCK THE BOAT, HE WANTS TO KEEP OHIO SAFE.

THE DANGER IS THAT TRUMP AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT ARE SO UNPREDICTABLE THAT THEY, IN FACT, CAN GO AFTER ANY UNIVERSITY.

THEY WILL FIND SOMETHING, THEY ARE GOING AFTER GEORGE MASON UNIVERSITY RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THE FACULTY THERE SUPPORT THEIR PRESIDENT THROUGH GOING AFTER THE FACULTY.

THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES WILL HAVE TO SAY THIS IS AN AVERAGE.

>> LAURA, WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PUBLIC EDUCATION, HIGHER EDUCATION, AND LAWMAKERS RIGHT NOW?

IS IT SOLID?

>> UM--I THINK IT'S INFLUX.

UM--I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LONG PUSH TOWARD UM-- REQUIRING UNIVERSITIES TO HAVE THEIR PROFESSORS DO MORE TEACHING AND LESS RESEARCH PROJECTS.

THEY DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF TENURED PROFESSORS UM--THERE IS SORT OF A BIG CHIP ON THEIR SHOULDER TOWARDS HIGHER EDUCATION.

AND, I THINK THAT THE CURRENT MIX OF LAWMAKERS IS MUCH MORE GUNG ON COMMUNITY COLLEGES AND TRADE SCHOOLS AND GETTING PEOPLE HARD SKILLS, SO I THINK THE AFFORDABILITY PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE UNIVERSITIES, HIGHER EDUCATION, AND ALSO THIS MIX OF LAWMAKERS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DICEY TIME.

>> LET'S GET TO OUR OFF THE RECORD SHOTS.

>> JUST GOT BACK FROM 10 DAYS IN ICELAND, AND IT'S AN AMAZING COUNTRY.

BUT MY POINT IS WE AS AMERICA NEED TO BETTER APPRECIATE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE HERE AND UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD IS CHANGING VERY DEFINITELY.

SO, IT'S A FASCINATING WORLD OUT THERE.

LAST YEAR I WAS IN INDIA, SINGAPORE, JAPAN.

AND WE NEED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW WE FIT INTO THE WORLD AND INTERACT, AND COMPETE.

>> PRESIDENT TRUMP, KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION.

>> YOU DON'T WANT HIM INVOLVED WITH THE EXHIBITS TO MARK >> REWRITING AMERICAN HISTORY?

NO.

>> DEMOCRATIC COURT JUSTICE-- RUNNING FOR ELECTION NEXT YEAR- -FOR OHIO, SO THERE'S LIKE SIX FIVE OR SIX REPUBLICANS WHO ARE TRIPPING OVER THEMSELVES TO GET THE NOMINATION .

THE OHIO REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS A SCREENING COMMITTEE MEETING, CONSIDERING ENDORSEMENT IN THAT RACE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL ENDORSE THAT'S A LOT OF CANDIDATES, BUT WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

>> LAURA?

>> MY COLLEAGUES AT THE DISPATCH WROTE A STORY RECENTLY THIS WEEK ON THIS NEW POLICY OHIO STATE HAS OF NO CHALKING.

YOU CANNOT WRITE MESSAGES IN CHALK ON THE SIDEWALKS.

I THINK IT'S A STUNNING ASSAULT ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT COULD STAND.

>> SOME OF THEM ARE KIND OF FUNNY.

SOME OF THEM ARE END OF MEAN.

WHATEVER.

THE RAIN WASHES IT AWAY.

SHE CAN IS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY A FINE FOR STEALING SIGNS.

I REMIND YOU, STEALING SIGNS IS NOT CHEATING, THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE THINGS .

>> THAT'S COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD FOR THIS WEEK.

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