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Trump Uncertainty Looms Over Ohio
Season 20 Episode 27 | 26m 46sVideo has Closed Captions
A look at how President Trump’s actions affect Ohio and more.
WOSU’s Mike Thompson and the Columbus on the Record panel look at how President Trump’s actions are affecting Ohio’s economy and institutions. We also discuss Ohio librarians have won a partial victory over Ohio lawmakers, the House plan to have Ohio borrow $600 million to help the Cleveland Browns build a new domed stadium and proposals to reduce rising property taxes in Ohio
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Columbus on the Record
Trump Uncertainty Looms Over Ohio
Season 20 Episode 27 | 26m 46sVideo has Closed Captions
WOSU’s Mike Thompson and the Columbus on the Record panel look at how President Trump’s actions are affecting Ohio’s economy and institutions. We also discuss Ohio librarians have won a partial victory over Ohio lawmakers, the House plan to have Ohio borrow $600 million to help the Cleveland Browns build a new domed stadium and proposals to reduce rising property taxes in Ohio
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> >> WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD.
I MIKE THOMPSON.
LIKE ALL AMERICANS, OHIOANS ARE KEEPING AT LEAST HALF AN EYE ON WALL STREET AND HALF AN EYE ON THEIR 401(K).
PRESIDENT TRUMPS CHANGING TARIFF POLICY HAS EVERYONE GUESSING.
WHILE HE HAS PAUSED SOME TARIFFS, THE TRADE WAR WITH CHINA IS ON.
BOTH COUNTRIES HAVE UPPED THEIR TARIFFS.
THAT COULD DOUBLE THE COST FOR SOME PRODUCTS WE IMPORT FROM CHINA, THINGS LIKE MOBILE PHONES, CARPORTS, BUILDING SUPPLIES, DRUGS LIKE THIS ONE.
OHIO BUSINESSES COULD SEE INCREASES FOR THINGS THEY SENT TO CHINA LIKE SOYBEANS AND AIRPLANE PARTS.
THEN THERE ARE OTHER POLICIES AFFECTING OHIOANS, LIKE UPSET FEDERAL AGENCIES, ENDING DEI PROGRAMS AND IMMIGRANTS FACING UNCERTAINTY.
OSU STUDENTS HAVE HAD VISAS REVOKED IN RECENT DAYS.
LET'S GO TO THE TERRACE FIRST.
IF NOTHING CHANGES, WE WILL START TO SEE THE EFFECT OF THE TARIFFS SOON.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN CAR REPAIRS HAVE A TARIFFS SURCHARGE OR THE PRICE OF ATV DOUBLES OR THE iPHONE DOUBLES, WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE FALL OUT?
>> SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH IT.
SOME PEOPLE WILL HAVE AMNESIA.
THEY FORGOT WHEN HE WAS ELECTED HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO THESE THINGS.
THEY JUST DIDN'T BELIEVE HIM.
THE THING THAT HURTS ME THE MOST ARE THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR HIM, THEY ARE GOING TO FEEL THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF PAIN A.
THAT IS UNFAIR.
IF YOU WANT TO TAKE PAIN OUT, TAKE IT OUT ON SOMEONE WHO CAN ACCEPT IT.
WORKING-CLASS PEOPLE THEY CAN'T TAKE 125% TARIFFS.
>> THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID THERE WILL BE SOME PAIN.
IN THE LONG RUN, IT IS GOING TO PAY OFF.
HOW MUCH PAIN ARE PEOPLE WILLING TO WITHSTAND AND HOW LONG?
>> THE WHOLE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS IT IS A BIG WAIT AND SEE.
I REMEMBER EIGHT YEARS AGO FROM THIS TIME, WHEN HE INITIALLY PUT TARIFFS ON CHINA, WE HEARD THE SAME THING.
THIS IS GOING TO INCREASE.
IT DIDN'T INCREASE IT HARDLY AT ALL.
IN FACT, TO THE POINT WHERE WHEN JOE BIDEN CAME IN IN 2021, HE NEVER TOOK THE TARIFFS OFF.
WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE.
HE IS A NEGOTIATOR.
THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT WHERE WE ARE AT ON TARIFFS WITH CHINA TODAY IS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO BE WITH TARIFFS IN A MONTH FROM NOW OR TWO MONTHS OR THREE MONTHS.
>> 125% IS WHERE THE TARIFFS WITH CHINA ON U. S. PRODUCT STANDS ON FRIDAY.
145% IS OUR TARIFFS ON CHINESE PRODUCT.
THAT IS SOME REAL MONEY.
HOW MUCH CAN THE CORPORATIONS ABSORBED WITHOUT RAISING PRICES ?
>> MY SUSPICION IS ZERO, I THINK IT WILL BE CONSUMERS THAT EAT THESE PRICES.
WE HAVE A LOT OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT.
JUST RECENTLY, I HAD TO BUY SOMETHING ONLINE AND I PAID A FIVE DOLLARS A RESENT TARIFFS SURCHARGE.
I DON'T SEE WHY A CORPORATION WOULD THAT COST WHEN EVERY CORPORATION IS FACING THE SAME COST INCREASES.
IT WOULD BE A COMPETITION ISSUE.
OF COURSE, YOU PASS IT ON TO THE CONSUMER.
>> WITH FARMERS HAVING EXPORTS IN ROUGHLY $1 BILLION TO CHINA, THEY ARE GOING TO FEEL THE SPIRIT >> THEY WILL FEEL THE PINCH, MUCH LIKE THEY DID IN 2018.
IF YOU REMEMBER, THE FIRST TIME AROUND, IN TRUMP 1.
0, FARMERS .
SUBSIDIES TO OFFSET THE PROBLEM WITH THE TARIFFS.
I THINK THERE IS SOME, FROM WHAT I'M SEEING AND READING, THERE'S SOME OPTIMISM THAT WOULD HAPPEN FOR FARMERS AGAIN.
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THIS TIME AROUND, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE HURT, NOT JUST FARMERS, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE HANDS OUT.
IT IS GOING TO BE, IT WILL DEFINITELY HURT THE FARMERS AND OHIO WILL FEEL THAT IMPACT.
>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIST OF EXPORTS TO CHINA, FARMING IS NUMBER ONE.
>> AND AIRPLANE PARTS, AIRPLANES, PLASTICS.
SHOULD THEY ALL HAVE SUBSIDIES?
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO THAT.
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER CHINA WILL LINK OR NOT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT TRADE WITH CHINA THEY RELY ON US A LOT MORE THAN WE RELY ON THEM .
THE POINT IS GOING TO BE, IT IS GOING TO HURT THEIR ECONOMY MORE THAN IT WILL HURT OUR ECONOMY.
THE GAME PLAN IS TO GET THEM TO THE TABLE TO TRY TO MAKE THIS A MORE EVEN PLAYING FIELD, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT.
>> YOU HAVE SET FOR A LONG TIME WE NEED TO START MAKING THINGS HERE, WE HAVE LOST AS A COMPANY.
WILL THIS PUT US ON THAT PATH?
IT IS A ROUGH TURN ONTO THAT PATH BUT DOES THIS PUT US ONTO THE PAST?
>> KNOW AND IT IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT.
THE GLOBAL ECONOMY NOW WORKS THIS WAY.
YOU DO THAT, I DO THIS.
WE SHARE, WE MOVE FORWARD.
THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN'T DO.
WE CAN'T GROW COFFEE, FIRST OF ALL.
THERE ARE INDUSTRIES AND THERE ARE PLANS AND PRODUCTS, WE CAN'T.
WE NEED A GLOBAL ECONOMY.
NOW, WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE LONG RUN IS PEOPLE LOSE CONFIDENCE.
THEY DON'T TRUST YOU.
YOU HAVE UNCERTAINTY EVEN, BOB, IF YOU WANT TO NEGOTIATE, YOU DON'T KNOW IF HE'S GOING TO DO WHAT HE SAYS HE'S GOING TO DO.
>> THIS BUT THEN YOU JUST SLAP THE TARIFF BACK ON IF YOU DON'T.
>> THE OTHER THING WE ARE WATCHING IS TUFTS UNIVERSITY CUTS TO UNIVERSITIES.
OHIO STATE BEING ONE OF THE LARGEST HERE.
THEY DON'T WANT TO GET ON THE WRONG SIDE OF DONALD TRUMP.
THERE ARE 11 STUDENTS, FOREIGN STUDENTS WITH VISAS REVOKED, THEY DON'T KNOW WHY.
THEY ARE IN A TOUGH SPOT.
UNIVERSITIES CAN'T TAKE A STANCE.
WE WERE ASSUMING BECAUSE LOOKING AT OTHER UNIVERSITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY, THEY HAVE BEEN TARGETING PRO-PALESTINIAN PROTESTERS.
WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT OHIO STATE, WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE IF THAT IS THE CASE.
>> THAT APPEARS TO BE THE CASE.
HOW DOES THE UNIVERSITY GO ABOUT THIS NOW?
THEY'VE GOT TO BE STUDENTS WHO ARE TAKEN OUT AND THEY ALSO HAVE PROGRAMS THAT THEY HAVE TO PROTECT, THEY WANTED TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE PROGRAMS THAT ARE GOING TO STAY IN PLACE.
IT IS MORE THAN JUST DEI , THERE ARE OTHER PARTS OF IT, MOVING PARTS IN A UNIVERSITY THAT ARE AFFECTED WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT DEI AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
ALL OF THE THINGS COMING TOGETHER AT ONCE IS CAUSING SOME STRAIN .
>> THERE ARE POWERFUL LOBBIES AT THE STATEHOUSE.
UTILITIES, NURSING HOMES, TEACHERS UNIONS.
NOW YOU CAN ADD A LIE.
AS TO THAT LIST.
AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL BUDGET PROPOSAL, THE OHIO HOUSE PROPOSED CUTTING FUNDING FOR LIBRARIES, AND THEY WANTED TO ELIMINATE A PROVISION THAT GUARANTEES LIBRARIES GET A SET PERCENTAGE OF THE STATE BUDGET.
WELL, LIBERIANS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS LOUDLY COMPLAINED.
HOUSE REPUBLICANS PARTLY BACKED DOWN.
THE INCREASED FUNDING FOR LIBRARIES THE BUDGET PLAN STILL ELIMINATES THE GUARANTEE THAT LIBRARIES GET A SET PERCENTAGE OF THE BUDGET.
LIBRARIES DON'T MAKE UP A LARGE PORTION OF THE STATE BUDGET.
WHY THIS FIGHT ?
WHY GO AFTER THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE?
>> I THINK IT IS ABOUT STABILITY AND FLEXIBILITY.
IT IS ABOUT FLEXIBILITY IN THE CASE OF THE LEGISLATURE.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE TETHERED TO THIS 1.
75% OF ALL TAX RECEIPTS GOING TO THE LIBRARY.
THAT IS A FIGURE THAT INCREASES YEAR-OVER-YEAR AS RECEIPTS ARE GOING TO INCREASE.
THEY SAY WHO SAYS WE NEED TO FUND THIS MUCH?
THE PROPOSED FUNDING LEVEL THAT IS ABOVE WHAT THE LIBRARY IS CURRENTLY GET BUT BELOW WHAT THEY WOULD BE PROJECTED TO GET UNDER FUTURE YEARS TAX RECEIPTS.
LIKE YOU HAVE HINTED AT MY THING THEY LEARNED THEY TOUCHED A THIRD RAIL.
EVERY COMMUNITY HAS CLOSE TIES TO THEIR LIBRARY AND PICKING OUT IN FORCE AND FLOODED THESE LAWMAKERS, THE POOR LAWMAKERS PHONES AND EMAILS.
>> THE UNDERCURRENT IS ABOUT SOCIAL, CULTURAL WORDS.
YOU HAVE CREAM STORY HOURS, LGBTQ BOOKS IN DISPLAYS AT LIBRARIES.
THERE WAS ONE MESSAGE BY A LAWMAKER, APPARENTLY BY AN INTERN, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS GOING ON, THE CULTURE WAR?
>> THERE IS A BIG CULTURE WAR GOING ON AT THE STATEHOUSE AND LIBRARIES ARE NO EXCEPTION TO IT.
BASICALLY THEY ARE IN SCHOOLS AND EVERYWHERE ELSE AS WELL.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THESE LIBRARIES, THEY REALLY CAME OUT PEOPLE CAME OUT, THE LAWMAKERS, WE ARE HEARING FROM THEM.
A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, THE LIBRARY IS THE HEART OF THE COMMUNITY.
I KNOW WHERE I LIVE IN DELAWARE COUNTY, THERE IS A LIBRARY THAT IS VERY CLEAR.
WHEN YOU START MESSING WITH THE LIBRARY'S, PEOPLE GET UPSET.
>> DON'T MESS WITH LIBRARIANS, BOB APPEARED >> FULL DISCLOSURE, I AM WORKING WITH THE ELMORE COUNTY LIBRARY ON THEIR LEVY.
I AM A LITTLE BIASED.
I PUT IN FOR IT.
>> EVERYONE LOVES THE LIBRARY.
>> I KNOW.
>> WITH PROPERTY TAXES AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED RECENTLY, I AM CONCERNED, NOW.
HERE IS THE PROBLEM.
I SAID THIS ON THE SHOW EARLIER THIS YEAR.
WE CANNOT, IN THIS DAY AND AGE, NO ONE OR NO INSTITUTION CAN ASSUME WHAT THEIR FUNDING LEVEL IS GOING TO BE.
THINGS ARE ALL DIFFERENT NOW.
NOT ONLY ON A FEDERAL LEVEL BUT A STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL.
AND, I THINK EVERYBODY, WHETHER THEY ARE UNIVERSITIES, LIBRARIES, WHATEVER, FIRE DEPARTMENTS THEY NEED TO NOT ASSUME THEY ARE GOING TO GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY.
>> BOB, THAT IS ONE.
THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY OUT OF THERE.
WHAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DO -- >> PEOPLE FEEL OVER TEXT AS IT IS.
>> IF YOU CUT THE STATE MONEY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK ON A LEVY CAMPAIGN.
>> IT IS ALL TAX DOLLARS.
IT IS A MATTER OF HOW MUCH CAN YOU TAX PEOPLE?
THERE IS A LIMIT >> THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TAXES THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY.
THE SCENARIO, THE GROUPS THAT ARE IN CHARGE NOW IS REDUCE THE COST FOR THE RICH MAN.
WHEN YOU REDUCE THE COST FOR THE RICH MAN, WHO PAYS THE PRICE?
WORKING PEOPLE.
POOR PEOPLE PAY THE PRICE.
THAT IS NOT FAIR.
THE SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED WHEN PEOPLE CAN'T HELP THEMSELVES, GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED TO HELP THEM.
>> THE LEGISLATURE IS NOT OUT TO TRY TO MAKE RICH PEOPLE'S LIVES EASIER.
IN FACT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MEDICAL BASIS OF BOTH PARTIES, THE DEMOCRATS NOW ARE THE RICHER, WHITE LIBERAL PARTY AND THE REPUBLICANS GOT THE WORKING CLASS.
>> YOU ASSUME THAT .
>> THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE MIDDLE AND WORKING CLASSES.
>> ONE THING I'M GOING TO TELL YOU ABOUT THIS THERE ARE MORE OF THEM THAN THERE ARE OF YOU.
MAKE THEM MAD.
>> THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THE STATE BUDGET PAYS FOR.
ROADS, BRIDGES, SCHOOLS, HEALTH CARE.
SHOULD THE LIBRARIES BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY, SHOULD THEY HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR MONEY EVERY YEAR, EVERY TWO YEARS RATHER THAN GET A SETTLEMENT?
>> I AM A LIBERAL.
>> YOU DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR MONEY, YOU WANT TO GIVE IT TO THEM.
>> THE PURPOSE OF GOVERNMENT IS TO DO WHEN OTHERS CAN'T.
>> THERE IS A FINITE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
>> EVERYBODY IS SUPPOSED TO PAY THEIR RIGHTFUL SHARE.
>> THEY SHOULD.
RICH PEOPLE DO.
>> THEY SHOULD PAY MORE.
>> THEY SHOULD PAY EVEN MORE.
>> OKAY.
>> TAXPAYERS MIGHT HAVE TO PAY FOR THE PLAN FOR THE NEW HOME OF THE CLEVELAND BROWNS.
THE INCLUDES A $600 MILLION ESTATE LOAN TO PAY FOR A DOMED STADIUM IN SUBURBAN CLEVELAND THAT COULD COST THE STATE UP TO $1 BILLION WHEN YOU ADD IN ALL THE INTEREST PAYMENTS.
THE BILLIONAIRE OWNERS OF THE BROWNS WOULD HAVE TO PAY MORE MONEY UP FRONT AS A DOWN PAYMENT BUT EFFORTS TO SCUTTLE THE PLAN ENTIRELY FAILED, AT LEAST FOR NOW.
THE BROWNS OWNERS MAINTAIN TAX REVENUES FROM THE PROJECT WILL COVER THE BORROWING COST.
AND, BREAKING NEWS, THOUGH BENGALS ARE LOOKING FOR $350 MILLION FROM THE STATE TO PAY FOR RENOVATIONS TO THEIR STADIUM.
THIS WAS NOT A SLAMDUNK.
THE HOUSE ALMOST KILLED THIS PLAN.
>> THEY ALMOST KILLED THIS PLAN.
IT CAME VERY CLOSE.
THE THING IS THAT THE HOUSE IS FUNDING THIS VERY DIFFERENTLY THAN GOVERNOR DeWINE WANTED.
WE SEE THIS BUDGET GOING THROUGH THE SENATE AND THE CONFERENCE COMMITTEE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
IT APPEARS LIKE IT IS NOW, WITH THE 600 MILLION YEN BONDS.
THAT IS SOMETHING GOVERNOR MIKE DeWINE HAS NOT GOTTEN BEHIND AT THIS POINT.
HE COULD VERY WELL THE TOE THIS.
HE WON'T SAY WHAT HE WILL DO WHAT HE COULD.
>> HE WANTS THEM TO SET UP A FUND.
HE WOULD SET UP A FUND TO HELP THE BENGALS, THE BLUE JACKETS, HOWEVER IS .
IS THE TEAM OWNER GOING TO BE TO THIS?
>> ON THE RADIO THE OTHER DAY, HE WAS ASKED SOMETHING, THIS IS NOT, THE SPOKESMAN WOULDN'T CLARIFY IF THERE WAS A VETO THREAT.
THAT IS ABOUT AS BOLD AS YOU DID IN THESE SESSIONS.
YOU CALL THIS A LONER, THIS IS NOT ALONE IN THIS AND YOU AND I GET A LOAN AND HAVE TO REPAY IT WITH CASH.
THIS IS A LOAN THAT IS REPAID WITH WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE TAX REVENUE PRODUCED BY THE SECOND FOOTBALL STADIUM, THE SECOND PRO FOOTBALL STADIUM IN THE COUNTY.
I DON'T LIKE, I REALLY DON'T LIKE TO PHRASE IT AS A LONER.
>> IT IS THE BORROWING MONEY.
YOU COULD GET INTO THE INTRICACIES OF GOVERNMENT BONDS BUT IT IS BORROWING MONEY.
YOU PAY THE BONDHOLDERS WITH INTEREST, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BOB, WE ARE TO STAND ON THIS?
>> I TOLD YOU THIS BEFORE, MIKE, NO POLITICIAN IN THE STATE OF OHIO WANTS TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BROWNS LEAVING, OKAY?
TAKE THAT AS YOUR INITIAL PROMISE.
THEY ARE GOING TO WORK SOMETHING OUT HERE.
NOW THAT GOVERNOR MIKE DeWINE COULD VETO.
HE IS A LAME DUCK.
IT IS NOT LIKE IT IS GOING TO HURT HIM POLITICALLY TO VETO IT.
IF HE DOES VETO IT, THEY WILL WORK SOMETHING OUT.
THESE POLITICIANS ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THIS TEAM TO LEAVE.
>> YOU THINK THE BROWNS ARE GOING TO LEAVE?
THE LEFT ONCE.
HUGE CONTROVERSY.
THE LEAGUE STEPPED IN.
OAKLAND, THEY LEFT TWICE.
DO YOU THINK THE BROWNS WILL LEAVE?
>> THEY ARE GOING TO WORK SOMETHING OUT BUT IT IS NOT FOR THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY.
>> IT IS NOT FOR THE GOOD OF THE TAXPAYER IT APPEARED >> IT IS THE COMPLEMENTARY DEALS THEY LIKE AND IT IS WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO GET THEM ACROSS THE LINE TO DO THAT.
>> NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH THE BENGALS COMING OUT BUT I THINK 10 YEARS FROM NOW, OHIO STATE SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT A FOOTBALL TEAM ON THE FIELD UNLESS WE GET AN ADDITIONAL $50 MILLION.
OR THE BAND, WE CAN'T FUND THE BAND ANYMORE.
YOU KNOW POLITICIANS WILL DO WHATEVER THEY CAN.
>> WATCH IT, BOB.
WATCH IT.
>> CAN I MAKE A POINT?
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LABOR REFUNDING.
LIBRARIES, EVERYONE GOES TO THE LIBRARY.
IF YOU GO TO THE LIBRARY, YOU CAN SEE LOW INCOME FOLKS AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS FOR THEM.
IF YOU GO INTO OUR LIBRARIES, THERE IS A MAJOR STUDIO, THERE ARE SMALL BUSINESSES AND THEIR DOING STUFF.
LIBRARIES ARE FOR EVERYONE.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THESE SPORTS STADIUMS AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD A TICKET TO GO TO THOSE THINGS.
THEY DON'T, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T VIEW THE LIBRARIES IN THE SAME WAY THEY VIEW THE BROWNS STADIUM.
>> THE BENGALS, JAKE, THEY SAY THEY ONLY WANT HALF OF WHAT THE BROWNS ARE GETTING, SLAMDUNK ?
>> THE JOKES TO THEMSELVES BUT WHAT IS THE LOGICAL ARGUMENT?
YOU GIVE ALL THIS MONEY TO THE BROWNS, WHY CAN'T WE GET SOME?
THEY ASKED FIRST?
THAT IS NOT A PERSUASIVE ANSWER.
I THINK IT REALLY IS CREATING A PROBLEMATIC PRECEDENT.
THE BENGALS ARE RIGHT TO BE MET HERE THAT THEIR COMPETITION, THE MARKET COMPETITION IS GETTING OTHER STADIUMS.
WHAT ABOUT OTHER ARENAS?
>> MORE THAN THE BENGALS, LESS THAN THE BROWNS.
>> WHAT ABOUT OTHER PRO SPORTS TEAMS, BUT IF THEY WANT SOMETHING?
>> WHAT ABOUT THE CREW STADIUM.
>> THEY DID WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO.
>> HOW ABOUT A TICKET TAX, THAT IS SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR SOME OF THE RENOVATIONS TO NATIONWIDE ARENA?
OHIO STADIUM NEED SOME WORK.
TICKET BUYERS THIS YEAR ARE PAYING $6.
00 PER TICKET PER GAME FOR THE STADIUM PRESERVATION FUND.
THAT IS A LOGICAL WAY TO DEAL WITH IT.
>> THEN YOU GET TO WHAT JOE WAS SIZING ABOUT, HEY, LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY USING THE STADIUM OR THE FACILITY.
MAYBE HAVE THEM PAY FOR IT.
>> THERE IS ONE THING, YOU JUST MENTIONED A DIRTY WORD, TAX.
THIS LEGISLATURE DOES NOT LIKE THE WORD TAX.
EVEN IF IT IS SOMETHING LIKE GOVERNOR MIKE DeWINE WANTED THE OUT OF STATE OPERATORS TO PAY FOR THAT ENTERTAINMENT FUND THAT HE WANTED AND THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT.
IT WASN'T THEY WEREN'T EVEN TAXING IN-STATE PEOPLE.
THEY WERE TAXING OUT OF STATE OPERATORS.
>> THEY ARE PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE WITH FEES.
THERE ARE FIVE DOLLARS WITH AND FEES ADDED IN THE SAME BUDGET.
I WOULD SAY A FEE IS POLITICALLY EASIER THAN A TAX.
>> IS THERE A DIFFERENCE?
THE BROWNS STADIUM IS 25, 26 YEARS OLD.
CHANGES ARE THE BONDS, 30 YEAR BONDS ARE GOING TO OUTLIVE THE NEXT STADIUM.
>> VERY WELL COULD.
>> THERE HAS TO BE A WAY, THE ESCROW ACCOUNT IS ONE WAY.
WHY NOT TAX CAPITAL GAINS OF SELLING THE TEAM AFTER THE PUBLIC HAS FINANCED IT?
THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS, RIGHT?
>> I HAVE A BIAS.
YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T NOTICE THAT.
IT IS AN INVESTMENT, NOT A TAX.
USE THAT MONEY TO IMPROVE CONDITIONS IN THE COMMUNITY.
YOU PAY FOR SCHOOLS, YOU PAY FOR LIBRARIES.
IT IS AN INVESTMENT.
>> GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.
>> THE OTHER THING IS, ASK THE VOTERS.
IN KANSAS CITY, THEY SHOT IT DOWN.
THE CHIEFS HAVE WON SO MANY SUPERBALLS AND THE VOTERS SAID NO, YOU ARE GOOD WHERE YOU ARE.
>> HAVE YOU WATCHED THE BROWNS PLAY LATELY?
I'M NOT SURE VOTERS WOULD GO FOR THAT.
>> A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR WHO SAYS WE WILL GIVE YOU THE MONEY IF YOU WIN.
>> THAT IS NOT HAPPENING.
>> THAT IS THE BIGGEST SPORTS THAT EVER PLACED IN THE STATE OF OHIO.
>> THEY ARE NOT GOING TO WIN.
>> WITH RISING PROPERTY VALUES LEADING TO RISING PROPERTY TAX BILLS , LAWMAKERS ARE HEARING ABOUT IT.
HOMEOWNERS ARE NOT HAPPY, ESPECIALLY THOSE ON FIXED INCOMES, LIKE RETIREES.
THE HOUSE BUDGET PLAN INCLUDES SOME RELIEF.
OHIO IS NOT ALONE.
OTHER STATES ARE TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO CUT PROPERTY TAXES, OR AT LEAST SLOWLY INCREASE.
WHEN THE STATE CUTS PROPERTY TAXES, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS FEEL THAT EFFECT.
BOB, YOU HAVE WATCHED THE LEGISLATURE, WATCHED LAWS COME AND GO.
THIS IS NOT A NEW PROBLEM.
IT COMES UP EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WHEN PROPERTY TAX BILL SUSPECT.
>> WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU, MIKE?
IT TELLS YOU THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO SOLVE.
THOSE KINDS OF PROBLEMS NEVER GET SOLVED.
AS THEY TRY TO GO IN, THEY TRY TO MAKE CHANGES , BUT TO MAKE THE KIND OF FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE, LET'S FACE IT, IF YOU ARE GOING TO BRING DOWN PROPERTY TAXES SOMETHING IS GOING TO GO UP.
WHETHER IT IS A SALES TAX, INCOME TAX, WHATEVER.
ANOTHER TAX HAS TO MAKE UP FOR THE MONEY.
>> OTHER STATES HAVE PASSED A LIMITED PROPERTY TAX ROLL OVER THE YEARS.
MASSACHUSETTS LIMITED PROPERTY TAXES AT 2% A YEAR.
CALIFORNIA HAS PROP 13 WAY, WAY BACK.
SHOULD OHIO BE TOUGHER WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, MAYBE?
>> THE PROBLEM WITH PROPERTY TAXES IS THAT OTHER TYPES OF TAXES ON SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO HELP SCHOOLS.
AND, THE STATE NEVER GIVES SCHOOLS ENOUGH MONEY.
THEY GIVE THEM A NICKEL AND TELL THEM TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OF THE WORLD.
IT IS NOT THE TAX, IT IS WHAT TAX IS USED FOR WHAT PURPOSE AND AT WHAT RATE.
I WILL GO BACK TO THIS I, YOUR FAIR SHARE.
I HAVE SOME FRIENDS WHOSE MORTGAGE IS $800.
00.
BUT, THE ACTUAL MORTGAGE THE WHOLE MORTGAGE PAYMENT IS $1400 REASONS.
GUESS WHAT THE REST OF THAT IS?
TAXES.
>> OF THESE TAX INCREASES AREN'T REALLY GOVERNMENT RAISING TAXES.
IT IS A RE- EVALUATION THAT HAS LED TO HIGHER TEXTILES BECAUSE THE HOME IS MORE, EVEN THOUGH THE PERSON IS BEEN THERE 20 YEARS.
LOCAL GOVERNMENT STILL BENEFITS FROM THAT, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVEN'T OFFICIALLY RAISED THE TAXES.
>> I GUESS, WHAT I AM SEEING WITH THIS PROPOSAL IS IT IS A ONE TIME.
WE ARE SEEING THIS POST COVID- 19 PHENOMENON, REALLY.
PHENOMENON IS A BAD WORD BUT THE RETURNS WHERE SCHOOLS HAVE A HUGE CARRYOVER ACCOUNT AND WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING IS THAT THE LEGISLATION PROPOSES THE SCHOOL HAS A BUNCH OF MONEY SAVED UP, TRAINING THAT WILL PROVIDE RELIEF FOR TAXPAYERS.
WAS GREASED BY THE PAYMENT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW WILL HAVE RELIEF BUT IT IS NOT SOLVING A FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE WE HAVE KICKED AROUND THIS TABLE, WHICH IS OHIO HAS SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED INCOME TAX REVENUE OVER THE PAST 10, 20 YEARS.
COVID-19 MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT EASED THAT PRESSURE BUT NOW THERE IS A LOT OF PRESSURE COMING OUT ON LIBRARIES, COMING OUT ON SCHOOLS, COMING OUT ON PROPERTY TAX BILLS INTO THE IDEA OF JUST HAVE LESS PROPERTY TAX REVENUE THIS TIME AROUND IS NOT FEASIBLE.
YOU HAVE BILLS TO PAY, WE HAVE A BUDGET TO BALANCE.
WE ARE FINALLY FACING THOSE PRESSURES.
>> WHERE DOES IT LAND, HOW WILL THE PROPERTY OWNERS BE WHEN THIS IS ALL SAID AND DONE?
>> THAT IS A BIG QUESTION.
THE THING THAT WE HAVE TO REALIZE IS ALL SCHOOLS ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL.
THEY HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS, DIFFERENT THINGS THEY ARE FUNDING.
IF YOU ARE BUILDING A SCHOOL BUILDING, YOU HAVE DIFFERENT EXPENSES.
SOME OF THE HIGHEST RESIDUALS OR CARRYOVERS ARE OVER IN LIKE PORTAGE COUNTY AREA, WE ARE WE ARE TALKING MIDDLE CLASS ISLAND.
THEY ARE HAVING TO FLY KIDS OUT OF THERE TO GO TO SCHOOL.
THERE'S ALL KINDS OF EXPENSES WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT.
THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO SEE.
I WANT TO SEE THE SCHOOLS COME IN AND TESTIFY ON THIS.
I THINK THAT WILL TELL US A LOT.
>> LET'S GET TO THE FINAL OFF THE RECORD PARTING SHOT.
SAM, YOUR FIRST.
>> TAXES ARE AN INVESTMENT.
THE PRESIDENT IS CRAZY.
I HOPE WE GET THROUGH THIS THING.
TIM SNYDER SAYS THERE'S ONLY THREE WAYS OUT OF THIS.
A PANDEMIC, WORLD TOUR, OR A REVOLUTION.
I HOPE NONE OF THOSE COME UP.
>> MIKE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE 2026 RACE IS ON AND THIS WEEK, PRESIDENT TRUMP ENDORSED REGISTERED FOR THE U. S. SENATE, WHICH WASN'T ALL THAT SURPRISING, A LITTLE SURPRISED IT IS THIS EARLY BUT IT HAPPENED.
>> RON FERGUSON, REPUBLICAN FROM HUNTERSVILLE, HE USED LIMITARY MANEUVERS ON THE HOUSE FLOOR TO FORCE A PROXY VOTE ON SOMETHING CLOSE TO THE BONES BUT IT WAS THE FIRST UP AND DOWN VOTE ON THE BROWNS CITY WE HAVE SEEN AND MIGHT SEE GOING FORWARD.
IF NOTHING ELSE, I AM GLAD TO SEE WHERE PEOPLE STAND.
>> MAY 7th, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED THE REAL I. D. TO FLY ON AN AIRPLANE.
IF YOU LIVE IN OHIO, YOU CAN STILL GET A STANDARD DRIVERS LICENSE AND USE A PASSPORT.
YOU DO NOT NEED A REAL I. D. IF YOU HAVE A PASSPORT IN OHIO.
WE WILL HAVE MORE ON THAT ON OUR WEBSITE.
>> SPEAKING OF BENGALS , WE HAD A NATIONAL WRITER WHO SAYS THAT BENGALS COULD MOVE TO CHICAGO AND THE BASEMENT BENGALS COULD SHARE A STADIUM LIKE THEY DO IN NEW YORK AND LOS ANGELES.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BUT WHY STOP THERE?
LET'S INVITE THE DETROIT FOOTBALL TEAM TO CHICAGO.
WE WOULD HAVE THE LIONS , THE TIGERS, THE BEARS.
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