Columbus on the Record
Trump’s Second Term and Ohio
Season 20 Episode 16 | 26m 46sVideo has Closed Captions
A look at how the second Trump administration might affect Ohio.
WOSU’s Mike Thompson and the Columbus on the Record panel look at how the second Trump administration might affect Ohio, and possible major changes to how Ohio pays for public schools. The panel also discusses reports that Vivek Ramaswamy is returning to Ohio to run for governor against Attorney General Dave Yost. We also discuss major changes to Ohio school funding, a DEI ban for Ohio colleges.
Columbus on the Record
Trump’s Second Term and Ohio
Season 20 Episode 16 | 26m 46sVideo has Closed Captions
WOSU’s Mike Thompson and the Columbus on the Record panel look at how the second Trump administration might affect Ohio, and possible major changes to how Ohio pays for public schools. The panel also discusses reports that Vivek Ramaswamy is returning to Ohio to run for governor against Attorney General Dave Yost. We also discuss major changes to Ohio school funding, a DEI ban for Ohio colleges.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorship>> OHIOANS CELEBRATE, OR BRACE FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP'S SECOND ROUND.
>> WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD.
I'M MIKE THOMPSON.
THE SECOND ERA HAS BEGUN.
AMERICANS AND OHIOANS ARE WATCHING THE FIRST DAYS OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND SOMEWHAT WITH A SENSE OF JOY AND SATISFACTION.
SOME WITH A SENSE OF FEAR AND DISBELIEF .
SOME, PROBABLY MOST, WITH A SKEPTICAL SENSE OF CURIOSITY AS TO WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS.
THE PRESIDENT TOOK THE OATH ON MONDAY IN THE CAPITAL AND WAS SURROUNDED BY HIS FAMILY, SUPPORTERS AND THE KINGS OF TECH.
HE PROCLAIMS THE START OF A NEW GOLDEN AGE OF AMERICA ENDING WHAT HE CALLED THE PERIOD OF DECLINE.
>> AS WE GATHER TODAY, OUR GOVERNMENT CONFRONTS A CRISIS OF TRUST.
FOR MANY YEARS, MEDICAL AND CORRUPT ESTABLISHMENT HAS INSTRUCTED POWER AND WEALTH FROM OUR CITIZENS WHILE THE PILLARS OF OUR SOCIETY LAY BROKEN AND SEEMINGLY INCOMPLETE DISREPAIR.
>> THERE WAS MALICE TOWARDS MANY AND CHARITY FOR VERY FEW.
AS AN IMMIGRANT YOURSELF AND SOMEONE WHO HIS VERY MUCH ADVOCATING FOR THE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY, HOW ARE YOU BEING WHAT HAPPENED THIS WEEK AND HOW IS THE COMMUNITY VIEWING AT?
IN THAT I EXPECT IT AS MUCH AND I EXPECT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY AND FOCUS ON THE IMMIGRATION ISSUE.
WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS AN APPROACH, INCLUDING AGENCIES WHO DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT IF WE WERE TO BE A PROBLEM.
TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST >> EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING AND DISCOVERING THAT IT'S A DIFFICULT THING FOR HIM TO DO WHAT HE PROMISED AND IT WAS ALL BASED ON LIES, THE FACT THAT , ACCORDING TO HIM, THESE ARE CRIMINALS AND DANGEROUS TO AMERICA.
WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS WORKPLACES.
WHAT ELSE CAN HE DO?
>> WE HAVE HEARD RUMORS THROUGH THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS OF RAIDS IN CENTRAL OHIO THAT HAVE THERE BEEN ANY ACCIDENTS?
>> NO, THERE HAVEN'T.
THE RUMORS ARE THERE AND I HAVE SEEN SEVERAL PEOPLE SAY THAT I. C. E. HAS BEEN SEEN AT GROCERY STORES.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT I. C. E. DOESN'T DRIVE MARKED CARS.
THEY ARE BLACK SUBURBANS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
THAT IS ABOUT HALF THE CARS ON THE ROAD.
>> HOW ARE YOU DOING THIS AND HOW HAVE YOU COME FROM FAR WESTERN OHIO?
HOW ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS VIEWING THIS?
>> FIRST OF ALL, A LITTLE BIT OF A DATA POINT.
IMMIGRATION IS AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE.
ANY TIME A COUNTRY GETS MORE THAN 11% OF THE POPULATION BEING NON-NATIVE BORN, MANY OF THEM BECOME TWITCHY AND WE ARE ABOUT 14%.
THIS IS A UNIVERSAL -- NOBODY TALKS ABOUT THIS.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS RECOGNIZE THIS AND BEGIN TO WORK TO DO IT.
THE CORE PROBLEM AND I SAID THIS ON THE SHOW BEFORE, IT'S ALL ABOUT HOW YOU DO THE AMERICAN PIE .
IF YOU THINK THE AMERICAN PIE WITH EACH NEW IMMIGRANT COMES IN AND GROWS AND THEY LENT THEIR VOICES AND TALENTS AND THE AMERICAN PIE BECOMES BIGGER AND YOU ARE SLICING OF THE IMMIGRANT PIE BECOMES BIGGER IN TURN, THEN YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF IMMIGRANTS.
IF YOU HAVE A ZERO-SUM VIEW OF AMERICA THAT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE ALL YOU CAN ACHIEVE AND THIS IS WHAT MY NEIGHBORS TELL ME.
THEY VIEW EVERY NEW IMMIGRANT ASKED TAKING A SMALL PIECE OF THEIR PART OF THE PIE AND THEY ARE ANGRY.
AS FAR AS TRUMP, THEY'RE GOING, DEPORT THEM ALL.
WE DON'T CARE WHAT IT COSTS.
THEY THINK THEY WILL DO BETTER , BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY WILL HAVE MORE OF THAT PIE.
>> JACOB, STATEHOUSE, SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS CHANGES TO HOW MEDICAID CAN BE ADMINISTERED.
THERE IS TALK OF REDUCING INCENTIVES FOR ELECTRIC CARS AND CHARGING STATIONS THAT GOVERNOR DeWINE HAS BEEN TRYING TO ROLL OUT.
HOW ARE STATE LAWMAKERS DURING THE PAST WEEK IN THIS PLETHORA OF MOVIES?
>> I THINK ENERGY IS AT TOP OF MIND AND THERE ARE A LOT OF SIGNALS.
IT'S PRETTY EXPLICIT FROM THE PRESIDENT.
DRILL, BABY, DRILL.
IT CAME OUT JUST YESTERDAY THAT IN ALL LIKELIHOOD GOING TO EXPAND NATURAL GAS GENERATION IN OHIO, WHICH IS CONTINGENT ON FEDERAL POLICY.
WHETHER THERE IS EXPLICIT AGREEMENT OR AN UNDERSTANDING OF SWAPPING SIGNALS BACK AND FORTH, IT IS PRETTY CLEAR FROM BOTH ENDS.
IT'S NATURAL GAS SEASON IN OHIO.
>> THAT WILL HURT COLE, AS NATURAL GAS EXPENSE BUT IT HAS ALREADY BEEN HURTING IT FOR THE PAST 10 OR 15 YEARS.
>> THERE ARE MUCH MORE THAN ANY POLICY ANSWER.
>> HOW DO YOU KEEP UP?
>> IT'S INTERESTING.
I ALWAYS APPRECIATE HIS PERSPECTIVE AND CLARITY AND HE ACTUALLY GAVE YOU BOTH SIDES ON THE SIDES OF THE POT.
IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY SOCIAL AND POLITICAL ISSUES HERE CAN BE REDUCED TO THE QUESTION OF OUR INABILITY TO REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH ADEQUATELY IN THIS COUNTRY.
THERE ARE MANY WAYS OF DOING THAT .
PRIVATE INDUSTRY CAN DO IT ON THEIR OWN AND MAYBE WITH THE AID OF UNIONS OR THROUGH TAXATION.
>> I WOULD SAY A LITTLE BIT OF A NUANCE AND NOT SAYING THAT YOU ARE WRONG, BUT REDISTRIBUTION OF OPPORTUNITY.
FOR NIGHT MY NEIGHBORS AND RELATIVES, WHICH IS THE SAME THING, THEY FEEL THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN ENOUGH OPPORTUNITIES.
IT'S AN INTERESTING THING AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
IF YOU ARE SITTING THERE AND YOU ARE COLLEGE EDUCATED , YOU ARE COMFORTABLE IN YOUR ABILITIES AND YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN HANDLE WHATEVER THE ECONOMY THROWS AT YOU.
YOU CAN ADAPT AND YOU CAN COMPETE WITH WHOEVER WALKS THROUGH THE STATUE OF LIBERTY.
>> OHIO FARMERS HAVE BENEFITED.
TECHNOLOGY BUSINESSES HAVE BENEFITED.
THEY HAVE BENEFITED.
IF YOU START A TURF WAR, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT FARMERS AND WHAT ARE THEIR THOUGHTS?
>> IT WILL BE DEVASTATING TO THEM.
THEY KNOW THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS WHY THE GREAT MISCONCEPTIONS OF POLITICS -- EVERYONE SAYS THAT THE ECONOMY IS STUPID.
IT'S THE VALUES.
ONE THE FARMERS HERE TRUMP TALK CERTAIN VALUES THEY GO, THOSE ARE MINE, TOO.
I WILL VOTE FOR HIM EVEN THOUGH I KNOW AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT WILL HURT MY BOTTOM LINE.
IT WILL HURT MY NEIGHBORS, TOO, IN THAT TYPE OF MARKET.
>> IS IT STILL KIND OF, IT'S NOT REAL YET?
INCREASING REVENUE YET?
>> SO WHAT HE DID IN HYSTERICS IN HIS FIRST TERM, BUT THEN HE WHITTLED OUT MONEY THROUGH USDA.
>> IT TURNS OUT THE CHINESE STARTED BUYING SOYBEANS FROM BRAZIL.
IT LOVE THAT PARTICULAR INDUSTRY.
>> ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE ELECTRIC CAR INDUSTRY?
HONDA IS RETOOLING OR BUILDING PLANTS FOR ITS ELECTRIC CAR MODELS.
THERE ARE BETTER PLANTS OFF OF COLUMBUS THAT ARE MAKING BATTERIES FOR ELECTRIC CARS .
IF TRUMP TAKES AWAY THE INCENTIVES, IT WILL HURT THAT SAID OF THE ECONOMY.
>> THEY ARE NOT ANIMATING THIS ISSUE.
THIS IS A CULTURAL ISSUE.
WE WANT COAL AND FOSSIL FUELS.
ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND SOLAR IS FOR THE LIBERALS AND DEMOCRATS --THAT'S NOT US.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS SOMEONE WEIGHING THE MARKET FORCES AND LOOKING AT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT.
>> I DID NOTICE WATCHING THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME ON MONDAY NIGHT.
PRESIDENT TRUMP JUST FINISHED HIS ADDRESS DURING HALFTIME AND LIKE FOUR OR FIVE ADS AFTER THAT, MERCEDES AND CHEVY ELECTRIC CARS.
DURING FOOTBALL NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.
THE MARKET MAY WIN.
>> IT IS COLLEGE EDUCATED.
> >> THE GOVERNOR HAS ANOTHER CANDIDATE AND THIS ONE IS NOT A SURPRISE AMMA ATTORNEY GENERAL DAVE YOST SIGNALS PER MONTH THAT HE WANTED TO SUCCEED MIKE DeWINE.
THIS WEEK, HE MADE IT OFFICIAL.
HE COMING THE FIRST MAJOR REPUBLICAN TO ANNOUNCE HIS CAMPAIGN.
HE LIKELY WILL FACE FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE VIVEK RAMASWAMY AND MAYBE STATE TREASURER ROBERT IN NEXT YEAR'S GOP PRIMARY.
VIVEK RAMASWAMY'S BRIEF TENURE IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS ENDED.
REPORTS FROM POLITICO AND OTHERS SAY THAT WE ELON MUSK NO LONGER WANTED TO SHARE LEADERSHIP OF THE SO-CALLED DEPARTMENT OF GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY AND FORCED HIM OUT.
REPORTS THE TWO MEN WERE NOT GETTING ALONG AND THE FINAL STRAW WAS VIVEK RAMASWAMY'S SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS CRITICAL OF AMERICANS LACK OF MATH AND SCIENCE PROWESS.
DAVE YOST HAS A VERY GOOD RESUME .
>> EIGHT YEARS AS AUDITOR AND WILL BE EIGHT YEARS AS AG WHEN THE ELECTION COMES AROUND IN 2026, BUT HE'S THOUGHT OF AS AN UNDERDOG.
>> WHICH I FIND BAFFLING, BECAUSE STATISTICALLY THE MOST COMMON PATH IN AMERICA TO BE GOVERNOR IS THE FIRST TO BE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
IT'S THE MOST COMMON PATH.
HE HAS SPENT 16 YEARS OUT THERE DOING LINCOLN DAY DINNER'S.
HE HAS DONE A REMARKABLY GOOD JOB OF KEEPING HIS WAY DOWN WITH ALL OF THE CHICKEN DINNERS.
BAD DINNERS, LET ME TELL YOU.
HE HAS BEEN PUTTING TOGETHER A POLICY TEAM FOR SOME TIME.
RIGHT NOW, AS OF TODAY, HE IS BY FAR THE FRONT RUNNER.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT VIVEK RAMASWAMY, I WILL TELL YOU WHY.
>> WELL, CONTINUE.
>> UP UNTIL ONE MONTH AGO, I WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU IT WAS VIVEK RAMASWAMY.
WE WILL FIGHT TRUMP AND NOW WE ARE NOT SO SURE, BUT ONCE AGAIN, BASICALLY, HE CALLED ALL OF MY PEOPLE MEDIOCRE .
ALL DAVE YOST HAS TO DO IS PUT THAT OUT THERE ON FACEBOOK ADS .
JUST PUT THAT LITTLE QUOTE AND I'M PERSONALLY GOING TO TELL YOU THAT I LIKE TO COMPARE MINE TO HIS AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT WHO IS TRULY A RENAISSANCE MAN OR NOT.
>> THIS WAS NOT A SURPRISE.
HE HAS LOOKED AT THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
IS HE HOPEFUL?
IS HE BANKING ON GETTING DONALD TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT IN THIS RACE?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK DONALD TRUMP IS ALMOST ANTI-ENDORSEMENT.
IF YOU HAVE DONALD TRUMP AGAINST YOU, YOU HAVE A REAL POLITICAL PROBLEM.
AS FAR AS DONALD TRUMP ENDORSING CANDIDATE A, BUT NOT CANDIDATE B, I QUESTION.
IT IS MORE OF A MYTH LIKE HOW AN EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHING SITUATION.
IS WHAT WE MAKE IT TO BE.
>> PROBABLY.
>> HARD TO SAY.
I'M ALWAYS A LITTLE SKEPTICAL.
ON VIVEK RAMASWAMY, I THINK HE'S MORE PROMISING CANDIDATE.
I ALWAYS THINK THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF --HE'S ANIMATED, COLORFUL AND A LITTLE QUIRKY, BUT I DON'T THINK HE SHOULD BE SO QUICKLY LEFT OFF.
>> HOW DO YOU VIEW THIS, JOE?
>> TWO WAYS.
WITH RESPECT TO THE TRUMP ENDORSEMENT , TRUMP LOVES TO ENDORSE PEOPLE THAT ALREADY HAVE VISIBILITY.
IN THAT RESPECT, HE IS UNUSUAL.
LET'S CALL IT BY WHAT IT IS.
ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK DAVE YOST HAS BEEN PREPARING FOR THIS MOMENT.
I DON'T THINK HE HAS ANYTHING IN THE CLOSET THAT WILL BE POPPING OUT OR BE A PARTICULAR PROBLEM.
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HIM IN THAT HE TENDS TO BLAME IMMIGRATION FOR CRIME .
AT TIMES, I'M DISAPPOINTED IN HIM AND I HAVE KNOWN HIM FOR A LONG TIME, BUT AT THE SAME TIME HE HAS DONE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE VERY POSITIVE WITH RESPECT TO LOSSES THAT HAVE RESULTED IN RESOURCES HERE IN OHIO THAT THE NONPROFITS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM.
>> NORMALLY ON THIS SHOW, I KEEP MY EMOTIONS IN CHECK PRODUCE ALL RIGHT THERE, I AM PROFOUNDLY AND PERSONALLY OFFENDED BY VIVEK RAMASWAMY'S STATEMENTS.
I THINK THE REST OF MY FOLKS OUT IN THE WESTERN OHIO WHEN THEY HEAR ABOUT THIS AND I EXPECT DAVE YOST IF HE SMART TO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW ABOUT IT , THERE IS A REASON WHY HE ONLY GOT 7.
5% IN I WAS PRIMARY FOR PRESIDENT.
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HE SAID , HE'S MY GUY, HE MISSPOKEN HE DIDN'T MEAN IT HE'S CHALLENGING US TO DO BETTER.
>> JOE IS ALMOST RIGHT.
HE LIKES TO DO CELEBRITIES AND STUFF AND HE ALSO LIKES TO DO PEOPLE WHO HE THINKS ARE GOING TO WIN.
NOW, IT'S NOT CERTAIN .
THAT I THINK RAMASWAMY IS GOING TO WIN, BECAUSE THE SELF-INFLICTED WOUNDS ARE ALWAYS THE WORST.
>> IF I COULD MAKE TWO QUICK POINTS.
HE DID 7% IN IOWA AND IT'S NOT A WINNING NUMBER, BUT WHEN YOU THINK BACK TO 2020, WHO IS THIS GUY?
NOBODY KNEW WHO HE WAS AND HE WAS WINNING A SUBSTANTIAL PERCENTAGE OF THE VOTE.
ON DAVE YOST, HE HAS HIS OPPORTUNITY THE WAY THE TIMING WILL WORK OUT AND HE'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE A FORMER FORTUNE 500 CEO ON TRIAL.
THAT'S POPULAR RIGHT THERE.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE --WE HAVE TO TRY THE CEO.
DAVE YOST WILL HAVE HIS CEO UNDER OATH IF ALL LIKELIHOOD.
>> ON LAWMAKERS AND STATE OFFICIALS.
>> WHAT JAKE JUST BROUGHT UP.
THAT IS TO HIS ADVANTAGE.
THAT'S WHY A MONTH AGO , RAMASWAMY.
NOW, DAVE YOST.
>> IS HE LOOKING FOR LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR OR DOES HE HAVE A CHANCE?
ARE HE'S A REALLY NICE GUY.
HE'S ALREADY SEEN RAMASWAMY BLOWUP.
HE'S HOPING THAT SOMETHING HAPPENS TO DAVE YOST, THEN BOB IS AN EXCELLENT CANDIDATE AND WILL DO AN EXCELLENT JOB , BUT I SEE IT THIS TIME DAVE YOST OVERPOWERING HIM.
>> DEMOCRATS, TOO.
THERE WILL PROBABLY BE OTHERS IN THIS CAMPAIGN.
WE ARE JUST STARTING 25 AND IT'S ALMOST TWO YEARS AWAY.
>> A YEAR BEFORE FILING DEADLINE.
> >> EDUCATING OHIO STUDENTS FROM KINDERGARTEN THROUGH COLLEGE REMAINS A BIG FOCUS OF THE NEW OHIO LEGISLATURE.
FIRST OF THE YOUNGER STUDENTS, NEW HOUSE SPEAKER MATT HOFFMAN DOUBTS THE STATE CAN PAY FOR K- 12 SCHOOLS AS IT HAS THE PAST FEW YEARS.
HUFFINES IS THE PLAN PASSED FOUR YEARS AGO AND COST $2 BILLION IS UNSUSTAINABLE.
PAYING FOR IT IN THE NEXT BUT IS A FANTASY.
TOLD REPORTERS USING MONEY TO PAY FOR PRIVATE SCHOOL VOUCHERS IS A BETTER DEAL FOR TAXPAYERS.
PUBLIC SCHOOL ADVOCATES AND TEACHERS UNION LEADERS SAY HOFFMAN HAS AN OBLIGATION TO MEET THE CONSTITUTION'S MANDATE AND OF AN EDUCATION SYSTEM THAT IS FULLY AND FAIRLY FUNDED.
FOUR YEARS, THEY HAVE ENTERED THIS PROGRAM, BUT NOW COVID MONEY IS GONE.
IS IT SOMETHING DEEPER GOING ON >> LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THERE WAS SO MUCH COMING DOWN FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT THERE WAS A SENSE OF HOW THESE TWO THINGS AREN'T IN COMPETITION AND WE CAN EXPAND FOR PRIVATE SCHOOLS AND FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
YOU ARE BEING DISINGENUOUS TO THOSE TWO THINGS, BUT NOW THAT MONEY IS DRIED UP AND IT'S NOT COMING IN AND THE STATE HAS TO PASS A BALANCED BUDGET.
SINCE THAT STATEMENT, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF PUSHBACK.
IT REALLY HAS SENT A SIGNAL UP IN THE AIR OF THESE TWO THINGS CLEARLY IN COMPETITION WITH SO MANY DOLLARS IN THE TILL AND I WOULD BE LYING IF I KNEW HOW IT WOULD END, THEN IN THE HOUSE, THERE ARE A LOT OF PROLABOR POPE PUBLIC EDUCATION.
WITHOUT A DOUBT, HUFFMAN IS THE SINGLE BIGGEST CHAMPION OF VOUCHER DOLLARS.
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DISTRICTS ALL AROUND THE STATE START SEEING FEWER DOLLARS OR LESS DOLLARS AND I THOUGHT THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO SELL AT THE STATE HOUSE.
>> THE OTHER BIG ISSUE IS PROPERTY TAX RELIEF.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO CUT STATE SPENDING, THEN YOU WILL EVENTUALLY GET MORE LOCAL ISSUES GOING UP ON THE BALLOT TO SPONGE SCHOOLS.
THIS IS TOTALLY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
IT IS COMPLETELY AGAINST .
I KNOW THE PROPONENTS OF THE DECISION, WHICH SCHOOLED RULED UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND I WANT EVERYONE TO FIND .
THIS IS HOW WE COUNTER IT.
THEY NEED TO DEEMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF LOCAL PROPERTY TAX AND NOT EMPHASIZING IT.
THIS IS TAKING THE RIVERS.
>> IT'S AMAZING EVERY TIME THE QUESTIONS COME UP.
SOMEHOW, THE ANSWER SEEMS TO BE DIVERTING THE FUNDS AWAY FROM PUBLIC SCHOOLS , WHICH I THINK WILL BE THE GREATEST INSTITUTION SINCE THE X COUNTRY TO FUND PRIVATE SCHOOLS THAT MAY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT AGENDA OR MAY BE CULTURAL OR POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE THAN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS MIGHT HAVE.
I THINK IT'S A RED HERRING.
NEVERTHELESS, IT'S WHAT WE ARE.
>> THE ARGUMENT IS THAT SOME SCHOOL DISTRICTS SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON AVERAGE.
COLUMBUS BEING ONE AND OVER $30,000 PER STUDENT.
WHAT RESPONSIBILITY DO THE LOCAL AND URBAN DISTRICTS HAVE TO FIND WAYS TO CUT MONEY OR USE THE MONEY THEY HAVE MORE EFFICIENTLY TO GET BETTER RESULTS?
>> WE KNOW IT'S A SOCIETAL PROBLEM AND NOT JUST WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SCHOOL, BUT IT'S WHAT HAPPENS AFTER SCHOOL.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY.
THE CITY BEING THE MICROCOSM OF THE UNIVERSE WERE KIDS ENRICH THEIR LIVES DURING SUMMER TIME AND OTHER ONES THAT THE KIDS ARE HOME ALONE AND WATCHING TV AND UNSUPERVISED.
UNTIL WE ADDRESS THE SOCIETAL PROBLEMS, I THINK THE PROBLEMS WITH EDUCATION CANNOT BE ADDRESSED ADEQUATELY IN SCHOOLS.
>> WHERE IS THE POLITICAL POWER?
THE TEACHERS UNIONS HAVE POWERS AND RELIGIOUS GROUPS HAVE POWER WITH TRYING TO GET MONEY FOR CHARTER SCHOOLS OR PRIVATE SCHOOLS WITH RELIGIOUS LEANING.
WHAT ABOUT PARENTS AND BUSINESS LEADERS?
WHAT ABOUT VIVEK RAMASWAMY'S FOLKS?
IN OUR SLEEP, BUT WE HAVE BEEN FALLING BEHIND.
THOSE FOLKS HAVE ANY POLITICAL POWER IN THIS DEBATE?
>> THERE'S A POWER SHIFT FROM THE TEACHERS UNIONS TOWARDS PARENTS AND TOWARDS THESE RELIGIOUS PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
I THINK THAT HUFFMAN IS THE LIVING EMBODIMENT OF THAT.
>> WHAT ABOUT BUSINESS LEADERS?
THEY DON'T HAVE THE WORKERS OR TRADE OR EDUCATION WE NEED.
WHERE DO THEY FALL INTO THIS DEBATE?
>> THEY WILL NEED TO MAKE THEIR VOICES HEARD AND THEY WILL HAVE TO EMPHASIZE THEIR LOCAL TRADE SCHOOLS AND NONTRADITIONAL HIGH SCHOOLS THAT A LOT OF KIDS GO THROUGH .
THAT'S NOT BEING DONE THROUGH RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS .
THE KEY THING IS , LET'S FACE IT, CHINA AND INDIA HAVE FOUR TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE DO AND WE CONSISTENTLY HAVE A HUGE POPULATION OUT THERE OF THE POOR THAT WE DO NOT DO ENOUGH TO HELP LIFT THEM UP AND BE ABLE TO --A PROGRAM WON'T DO IT.
WE HAVE TO FIND OUT -- THEY HAVE TO FIND OUT WHY THEY ARE POOR AND HELP LIFT THEM UP.
> >> HIGHER ED REFORM IS APPARENTLY THE OHIO SENATE'S TOP PRIORITY.
ITS FIRST PIECE OF LEGISLATION SENATE BILL ONE WOULD'VE BEEN THE EI PROGRAMS ON PUBLIC COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY CAMPUSES.
IT WOULD ALSO BEEN FACULTY STRIKES AND PROFESSORS WOULD BE EVALUATED BASED ON THE FOSTERING AN ENVIRONMENT OF DIVERSITY OF IDEAS.
CONSERVATIVE LAWMAKERS HAVE LONG COMPLAINED THAT THE COLLEGE FACULTY PROMOTE A LIBERAL AGENDA.
FACULTY GROUPS DENOUNCE A BILL AND THEY SAY IT THREATENS ACADEMIC FREEDOM AND WILL HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT ON CAMPUS.
JAKE ZUCKERMAN, THIS WAS IN THE LAST SESSION AND WAS WATERED DOWN A BIT, BUT NOW IT'S BACK IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM.
>> IT'S IN THE LAST GENERAL SESSION, BUT NOW YOU HAVE A PRESIDENT IN CHARGE OF THE HOUSE WHERE THE PROBLEM SEEMS TO LIE.
ONE THING I WANT TO ADD IS , TECHNICALLY DOING WHICH APPLIES TO INSTITUTIONS, BUT THEY ARE MADE UP OF PEOPLE.
THESE INSTITUTIONS CANNOT PASS ON QUOTE UNQUOTE CONTROVERSIAL BELIEFS.
THE MOST STRIKING EXAMPLE IS CLIMATE CHANGE , WHICH IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT, WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIKE IT, DON'T LIKE IT OR DISAGREE.
IT'S A FACT.
WHILE WE ARE LEGISLATING IT INTO A CONTROVERSIAL BELIEFS AND SCHOOLS , PLACE A FACT , REASON AND THOUGHT ARE NOW SUDDENLY, THERE'S THIS LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, WE CAN'T PUSH THESE CONTROVERSIAL BELIEFS.
WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU TEACH A SCIENCE CLASS?
YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO TEACH FAX, BUT SUDDENLY THEY ARE CONTROVERSIAL.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PUSHING OUR SCHOOLS TOWARDS.
>> I WOULD SAY PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE, BUT IT'S LIKE THIRD.
YOU HAVE INFLATION, IMMIGRATION AND IMMIGRANTS AND NOW TRYING TO PROGRAMS IS THIRD.
>> THE PROBLEM IS THAT I QUITE FRANKLY CAN'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, SO I'M PROBABLY THE WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD TO TRY TO JUSTIFY ONE THING VERSUS THE OTHER, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT I'M EXTRAORDINARILY CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE ELEMENTS OF THIS BILL, WHICH IS CLEARLY INFRINGING UPON FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
INSTITUTES OF HIGHER LEARNING ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PLACES WHERE YOU DISCUSS A VARIETY OF THINGS AND NOT NECESSARILY ALL IN THE SAME CLASSROOM , WHICH IS WHAT I THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO GET ACCOMPLISHED.
IT ALSO SUGGESTS A SYSTEM , WHICH QUITE FRANKLY IS NOT -- I'M CRITICAL OF.
THE STUDENTS INVITE THE PROFESSORS TO COME BACK AND LECTURE.
THE STUDENTS HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT THE AGENDA IS GOING TO BE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
>> LONG CRITICISM DUE TO THE FAR LEFT.
IT HAS ONLY BEEN 10 YEARS, BUT DID YOU FEEL THAT YOU COULDN'T SPEAK YOUR MIND AND GO TO COLLEGE CAMPUSES?
>> WHAT THIS ISSUE IS ABOUT OWNERSHIP.
WHO OWNS HIGHER ED IN OHIO?
I GO BACK TO 1993 AND USED TO BE IN MY DISTRICT AND I POSED A QUESTION OUT OF ADMINISTRATORS OF WHO OWNS MIAMI.
I SAID, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
I CAN'T GO TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND ASKED FOR MORE MONEY FOR MIAMI, BECAUSE THEY DON'T FEEL ANY OWNERSHIP, BECAUSE THEIR KID THEY SPENT GOOD MONEY TO SPEND THEIR KID HERE AND THEY GET A GRAD STUDENT FOR WHOM ENGLISH MAY BE THE THIRD LANGUAGE AND THEY JUST DON'T DO A GOOD JOB.
THE OTHER THING IS NOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING IS PROFESSORS WHO DON'T SHOW UP AT THE CLASS PERSONALLY, BUT THEY LITERALLY DO IT REMOTELY.
IT'S AN OWNERSHIP ISSUE AND UNTIL HIGHER ED DEALS WITH THAT, THEY ARE IN TROUBLE.
>> I CAN'T SEE INTO THE FUTURE, BUT THE STARS ARE ALIGNING ON THIS ONE, SO I WANT TO SAY YES.
ONE THING THAT I ADD IS THAT THIS BILL IMAGINES THAT THE PROBLEMS ARE COMING FROM THE SCHOOLS.
WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LISTEN TO BOTH SPONSORS OF THE BILL IS THE PROBLEM OF THE CULTURE WITH THE STUDENTS.
THIS IS A BILL FOCUSED ON SCHOOLS WHERE IT SEEMS LIKE IF THERE IS THIS LIBERAL BIAS ON CAMPUS, IT'S COMING FROM THE STUDENTS.
YOU CAN'T LEGISLATE STUDENTS.
>> IT'S DEMOCRATS, THEN TURN REPUBLICAN.
LET'S GET TO OUR FINAL OF THE RECORD PARTING SHOTS.
JOE, YOU ARE FIRST.
>> EPISCOPAL BISHOP OF D. C. ISSUED A HEARTFELT PLEA TO THE NEW PRESIDENT THAT HE SHOWED MERCY TO THOSE WHO ARE MOST VULNERABLE.
THE CATHOLIC CONFERENCE OF BISHOPS DID THE SAME THINGS ON THURSDAY AND THIS COMING SUNDAY IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST TIME AFTER THE NEW ADMINISTRATION ANNOUNCED THAT CHURCHES ARE NOT GOING TO BE PLACES FOR IMMIGRATION ROUNDUP AND I CALL UPON LOCAL AND BISHOP FERNANDEZ OF THE C. A. P. ARCHDIOCESE TO SPEAK UP ON THIS MATTER.
>> THERE IS AN EMERGING ISSUE COMING FORWARD.
ABOUT ONE MONTH AGO, THERE WASHINGTON EXAMINER, WHICH IS A CONSERVATIVE PAPER.
IT CAME OUT THAT DEMOCRATS ARE USING SPOILER CANDIDATES.
IF YOU SEE AN OHIO , THE LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE UP IN THE CAPTORS HEAT, THEY FUNDED WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
THAT WILL SHOW UP IN OUR GOVERNOR'S RACE.
>> IN THE BIG ENERGY BILL, THERE IS ACTUALLY A SURPRISE EASTER EGG AND A REPEAL OF ROUGHLY $800 MILLION TO PLAN BAIL OUT, SO IF THAT ACTUALLY MAKES IT OVER THE FINISH LINE, OHIO IS GETTING RID OF A COLD BAIL OUT.
>> WE MAKE FUN OF THE BLUE JACKETS ON THE SHOW ONCE IN A WHILE, BUT NOW THAT THEY HAVE WON THE NATIONAL SHIP, IT'S TIME TO PAY ATTENTION TO SPORTS AND THE BLUE JACKETS ARE PLAYING PRETTY DARN WELL, SO CHECK IT OUT.
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